IBIZA FIGHT - WEDGIE!

No way you can say the bus driver started it. What if the kid mouthing off was getting personal. Maybe said something inappropriate about wife or kids. You just don't know. I know if some mouthy kid said something to me out of line and personal I'd be aiming one square on his chin. Oh and the girl putting the boot in with wedges deserves a slap as well
 
M.E said:
No way you can say the bus driver started it. What if the kid mouthing off was getting personal. Maybe said something inappropriate about wife or kids. You just don't know. I know if some mouthy kid said something to me out of line and personal I'd be aiming one square on his chin. Oh and the girl putting the boot in with wedges deserves a slap as well
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There's never, ever any excuse for physical violence towards customers. I don't care what the Spanish guy said to the driver words are words and he's old enough to know better. All the guy had to do was close the bus doors and go to the control room to sort things out, and could easily also have refused the guy transport through a responsible approach. It doesn't sound as if he was intending to set off any time soon anyway ! These guys may have to deal with cr*p every day and I have sympathy with that but sooner or later if someone is on the receiving end of an accumulation of frustrations in that way that's simply not OK as far as I'm concerned.
 
Sorry @kimajy I probably should have been more specific. I'm not talking about someone swiping out because they have had a bad day. I am talking about something said that severely crosses a line. Last week there was a video posted by a well known paper very similar to that posted on here. In the video 2 men were talking. One was looking for a fight the other was not. he was not being aggressive or personal and at one point he mentioned he was a grown man and a dad. Now the other chap looking for a fight said he was a drug dealer and he would sell crack to the mans kids and ruin there lives. The man still not biting said what are you talking about my daughter is 4 years old. The guy then took it a step further and said he would fiddle with her. At that point the man who was calm throughout smacked the guy on the chin knocked him over and gave him a few kicks. You can't say to a man you are going to sell drugs and fiddle with his 4 year old daughter and not expect a slap. Now I know that is maybe an extreme case but my point was you can't watch a video of a fight and say because one man hit first that he was wrong. You just don't know what the younger guy has said to instigate the reaction of the driver. Of course the driver has a duty to remain professional to customers but what if the kid said something along the lines of the above? In that instance in my opinion he would have every right to hit the guy. Sometimes a line is crossed and in this instance there is no proof to say who was right or wrong.
 
M.E said:
Sorry @kimajyOf course the driver has a duty to remain professional to customers but what if the kid said something along the lines of the above? In that instance in my opinion he would have every right to hit the guy.
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Nope, in my view he still wouldn't. There's no circumstances ever regardless of anything said verbally which excuses someone physically assaulting a customer. There are procedures for getting verbally abusive people dealt with and they don't involve smacking them one.
 
M.E said:
Sorry @kimajy I probably should have been more specific. I'm not talking about someone swiping out because they have had a bad day. I am talking about something said that severely crosses a line. Last week there was a video posted by a well known paper very similar to that posted on here. In the video 2 men were talking. One was looking for a fight the other was not. he was not being aggressive or personal and at one point he mentioned he was a grown man and a dad. Now the other chap looking for a fight said he was a drug dealer and he would sell crack to the mans kids and ruin there lives. The man still not biting said what are you talking about my daughter is 4 years old. The guy then took it a step further and said he would fiddle with her. At that point the man who was calm throughout smacked the guy on the chin knocked him over and gave him a few kicks. You can't say to a man you are going to sell drugs and fiddle with his 4 year old daughter and not expect a slap. Now I know that is maybe an extreme case but my point was you can't watch a video of a fight and say because one man hit first that he was wrong. You just don't know what the younger guy has said to instigate the reaction of the driver. Of course the driver has a duty to remain professional to customers but what if the kid said something along the lines of the above? In that instance in my opinion he would have every right to hit the guy. Sometimes a line is crossed and in this instance there is no proof to say who was right or wrong.
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Sometimes its the only way bastards like him will learn
 
kimajy said:
Nope, in my view he still wouldn't. There's no circumstances ever regardless of anything said verbally which excuses someone physically assaulting a customer. There are procedures for getting verbally abusive people dealt with and they don't involve smacking them one.
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That's fair enough @kimajy i respect your opinion and like I said I don't actually believe violence is the way things should be handled. Far from it actually. I don't want people to read my messages on here and get the wrong idea. I do believe there are certain lines that are sometimes crossed that can instigate a reaction that can be out of character. when all is said and done no one wants to witness that kind of thing on holiday. I once witnessed a horrific incident at Bora Bora that put a real downer on the day and stayed in my mind for the 3 days I was there. Thankfully those incidents are few and far between
 
M.E said:
That's fair enough @kimajy i respect your opinion and like I said I don't actually believe violence is the way things should be handled. Far from it actually. I don't want people to read my messages on here and get the wrong idea. I do believe there are certain lines that are sometimes crossed that can instigate a reaction that can be out of character. when all is said and done no one wants to witness that kind of thing on holiday. I once witnessed a horrific incident at Bora Bora that put a real downer on the day and stayed in my mind for the 3 days I was there. Thankfully those incidents are few and far between
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Frustrations do occasionally bubble over, not only in peak Season, and both alcohol and coke are the main contributing factors - but not the only ones. I saw a pretty brutal contre temps between a restaurant owner and a drunk punter on the beach in Zakynthos which very nearly wound up with the punter getting glassed with a smashed bottle had a random guy on the beach not intervened. That was before midnight in early June this year with some parents with kids at overlooking tables in adjacent restaurants. There's fault on both sides there.

The main problem is likely that policing can't keep up with the influx of tourists, many of whom are intoxicated. Certain workers become defensive-aggressive feeling they are on their own in a bear garden with little chance of redress or consequence of their actions. Seems certain employers need to engage a little more proactively with setting boundaries and putting in support structures, then maybe things wouldn't be boiling over in the first place :idea:
 
Yeah feisty.. my friend has an Argentinean girlfriend they both live in ibiza.. Man she fckn crazy:eek:.. after few days heavy partyin as he say himself "She's like fckn nettle" time to.go home to burn off that engry...:twisted:
 
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