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gecko2
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I wonder how many undercover operatives are going to tailing Brandon Block this coming summer?
Drugland on BBC2
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copperband
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gecko2 said:
Never mind this summer how about his next gig
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gecko2
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I think it might be get a bit suspicious when the majority of the space terrace is wearing green shirts and silly hats.
This programme was another warning about the imminent demise of drug culture in Ibiza. The facts have been staring us in the face for a while now but we are making excuses and not seeing them.
- Clubs like Bora Bora and Salinas are being shut-down. You cannot control people taking drugs in open air venues like this as easily as you can in a club where you get searched. This is the first step to cracking the drugs problem.
- The police are stopping and searching people at random outside the big clubs. This never used to happen before, man I can't remember seeing a copper stop anyone ever in the past.
- This documentary is another warning on how seriously the Spanish authorities are going to tackle this issue. This programme has been made to shame the Spanish government into action. I would imagine things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
- I actually agree with what the owner of Space was saying. It’s not his responsibility if you do drugs or even if you die taking them. He isn't telling you to take them, we are all responsible adults. If we swallow 20 pills then it’s our fault if we die from it, not some strange guy who owns a nightclub in Spain. He cannot be expected to be by your side and help you, nor should he.
A common theme by people that take drugs is that they want the freedom to use them, but the minute things go wrong, they expect the very people who were telling them not to take drugs to step in and save them.. My only advice is if you are going to do that many drugs, be with friends in case things go wrong.
- Brandon Block: sad isn't it. I always liked the guy but couldn't he have been just a little bit smarter than this. It was only yesterday he was appearing on the Brit Awards in front of kids. Look at him now...
- Clubs like Bora Bora and Salinas are being shut-down. You cannot control people taking drugs in open air venues like this as easily as you can in a club where you get searched. This is the first step to cracking the drugs problem.
- The police are stopping and searching people at random outside the big clubs. This never used to happen before, man I can't remember seeing a copper stop anyone ever in the past.
- This documentary is another warning on how seriously the Spanish authorities are going to tackle this issue. This programme has been made to shame the Spanish government into action. I would imagine things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
- I actually agree with what the owner of Space was saying. It’s not his responsibility if you do drugs or even if you die taking them. He isn't telling you to take them, we are all responsible adults. If we swallow 20 pills then it’s our fault if we die from it, not some strange guy who owns a nightclub in Spain. He cannot be expected to be by your side and help you, nor should he.
A common theme by people that take drugs is that they want the freedom to use them, but the minute things go wrong, they expect the very people who were telling them not to take drugs to step in and save them.. My only advice is if you are going to do that many drugs, be with friends in case things go wrong.
- Brandon Block: sad isn't it. I always liked the guy but couldn't he have been just a little bit smarter than this. It was only yesterday he was appearing on the Brit Awards in front of kids. Look at him now...
puppylover
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gecko2 said:
- could be a look that could catch on - imagine the confusion 
Next Spotlight Meet up - The Terrace, Space wear a green shirt !
here's an article from the diario today that completely refutes some of the things stated on the programme about customs.
La BBC emitió ayer un reportaje sobre Eivissa que ha levantado una enorme polémica por su contenido. La cadena asegura que ha descubierto que «la policía española está fracasando a la hora de luchar contra los problemas de drogas en Eivissa por la falta recursos». Según la cadena, el servicio de Aduanas que patrulla las aguas cuenta con poco personal «y no ha realizado un sólo arresto en dos años». Un dato absolutamente erróneo ya que, entre otras intervenciones, en agosto Aduanas aprehendió 2.100 kilos de hachís y en septiembre un kilo de cocaína y, en ambos casos hubo detenciones.
Según el programa, Eivissa «es un asilo para los traficantes» y para reforzar esta idea entrevistan a un vendedor que asegura que «la policía desperdicia su tiempo deteniendo a unos cuantos desafortunados que venden unas pocas pastillas en los aparcamientos». Además, los vendedores no dudan en asegurar que introducir droga en Eivissa «es una tarea fácil» e incluso añaden que el personal de Aduanas «no ejerce un control firme en la costa, por lo que introducir droga con un barco es fácil».
En el reportaje aseguran que el Servicio de Vigilancia de Aduanas estuvo completamente fuera de servicio durante todo el mes de agosto «porque toda la tripulación tomó vacaciones y no había ningún plan para reemplazarles». Este dato tampoco parece muy acertado porque se realizaron varias intervenciones durante ese mes. En el reportaje citan a un miembro de la tripulación de este servicio que asegura que «necesitamos más personal porque el barco trabaja sólo 15 días al mes, no tenemos gente suficiente» y otro añade que «cuando trabajaba en el sur de España aprehendían más droga y detenían a más gente pero, sin más personal y más recursos, ¿qué podemos hacer?», protesta.
El reportaje entrevista a Joan Pantaleoni, que asegura que «el único peligro que tenemos en Eivissa son las drogas. Si no luchamos contra ello tendremos problemas con el turismo, que nuestra vida y nosotros debemos ser muy cuidadosos con ello, tenemos que luchar tanto como podamos contra las drogas y ganar la guerra». A pesar de las declaraciones del concejal el reportaje insiste en que el alto número de traficantes en la isla, unido a la falta de recursos, «hace difícil la tarea para la policía española».
there's also a picture of them in august (you know, when they're all on holiday) with a 2100 kilo haul of hashish confiscated from a boat.
La BBC emitió ayer un reportaje sobre Eivissa que ha levantado una enorme polémica por su contenido. La cadena asegura que ha descubierto que «la policía española está fracasando a la hora de luchar contra los problemas de drogas en Eivissa por la falta recursos». Según la cadena, el servicio de Aduanas que patrulla las aguas cuenta con poco personal «y no ha realizado un sólo arresto en dos años». Un dato absolutamente erróneo ya que, entre otras intervenciones, en agosto Aduanas aprehendió 2.100 kilos de hachís y en septiembre un kilo de cocaína y, en ambos casos hubo detenciones.
Según el programa, Eivissa «es un asilo para los traficantes» y para reforzar esta idea entrevistan a un vendedor que asegura que «la policía desperdicia su tiempo deteniendo a unos cuantos desafortunados que venden unas pocas pastillas en los aparcamientos». Además, los vendedores no dudan en asegurar que introducir droga en Eivissa «es una tarea fácil» e incluso añaden que el personal de Aduanas «no ejerce un control firme en la costa, por lo que introducir droga con un barco es fácil».
En el reportaje aseguran que el Servicio de Vigilancia de Aduanas estuvo completamente fuera de servicio durante todo el mes de agosto «porque toda la tripulación tomó vacaciones y no había ningún plan para reemplazarles». Este dato tampoco parece muy acertado porque se realizaron varias intervenciones durante ese mes. En el reportaje citan a un miembro de la tripulación de este servicio que asegura que «necesitamos más personal porque el barco trabaja sólo 15 días al mes, no tenemos gente suficiente» y otro añade que «cuando trabajaba en el sur de España aprehendían más droga y detenían a más gente pero, sin más personal y más recursos, ¿qué podemos hacer?», protesta.
El reportaje entrevista a Joan Pantaleoni, que asegura que «el único peligro que tenemos en Eivissa son las drogas. Si no luchamos contra ello tendremos problemas con el turismo, que nuestra vida y nosotros debemos ser muy cuidadosos con ello, tenemos que luchar tanto como podamos contra las drogas y ganar la guerra». A pesar de las declaraciones del concejal el reportaje insiste en que el alto número de traficantes en la isla, unido a la falta de recursos, «hace difícil la tarea para la policía española».
there's also a picture of them in august (you know, when they're all on holiday) with a 2100 kilo haul of hashish confiscated from a boat.
puppylover
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gecko2 said:
- could be a look that could catch on - imagine the confusion Next Spotlight Meet up - The Terrace, Space wear a green shirt !
I agree with most of what copperband posted. shoddy lazy journalism mainly.
i mean, how difficult is it to find incompetent policemen, loudmouth dealers, silly young pr girls and mendacious and/or disingenuous club owners in Ibiza? erm, not very.
sorry Stephen, but happy families going on holiday and having a nice time in the sunshine ain't ever going to be very newsworthy.
why exactly do the guardia civil waste their time giving people the equivalent of speeding tickets for possesion of tiny amounts of drugs. are there not better uses of this precious resource?
i mean, how difficult is it to find incompetent policemen, loudmouth dealers, silly young pr girls and mendacious and/or disingenuous club owners in Ibiza? erm, not very.
sorry Stephen, but happy families going on holiday and having a nice time in the sunshine ain't ever going to be very newsworthy.
why exactly do the guardia civil waste their time giving people the equivalent of speeding tickets for possesion of tiny amounts of drugs. are there not better uses of this precious resource?
stephen said:
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"The BBC emitted yesterday a report on Eivissa that has raised an enormous polemics by its content. The chain assures that has discovered that the Spanish police is failing at the moment of to fight against the problems of drugs in Eivissa by the lack resources». According to the chain, the service of Customs that patrol the water counts on little personal «and he has not carried out an only arrest in two years». An absolutely erroneous data since, among others interventions, in August Customs he apprehended 2.100 kilograms of hashish and in September a kilogram of cocaine and, in both cases there were detentions. According to the program, Eivissa «is an asylum for the dealers» and to reinforce this idea they interview a salesperson that assures that «the police wastes his time stopping to a few unfortunate that sell some few tablets in the parking». Besides, the salespersons do not doubt in assuring that to introduce drug in Eivissa «is an easy task» and even they add that the personnel of Customs does not exercise a firm control in the coast, for which to introduce drug with a ship is easy. In the report they assure that the Customs Caution Service was completely out of service during all the month of August because all the crew took holidays and there was not no plan to replace them. This data does neither seem very wise because several interventions during that month were carried out. In the report they cite to a member of the crew of this service that assures that «we need more personal because the ship works only 15 days al month, we do not have sufficient people» and another adds that «when worked in the south of Spain they apprehended more drug and they stopped to more people but, without more personal and more resources, what can we do?, protest. The report interview to Joan Pantaleoni, that assures that the only danger that have in Eivissa are the drugs. If we do not fight against it we will have problems with the tourism, that our life and we should be very careful with it, we have to fight so much as we be able against the drugs and to win the war». In spite of the statements of the councilman the report insists that the high number of dealers in the island, united to the lack of resources, «does difficult the task for the Spanish police"
copperband
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I would like to see the statistics but I'm guessing the no of deaths on the roads is far greater than deaths in clubs from OD. What exactly are the police doing to stamp out the massive no of drunk drivers on the roads in Ibiza. I went in Sep and stayed in a Villa 25 mins drive to the north of all the clubs so I did a fair bit of driving in and out of Ibiza town mainly, both night and day and witnessed:
Pissed locals driving cars and motorbikes
Pissed tourists in hire cars
The Ultimate though was the 7.5 tonne lorry delivering bread which decided to drive up and over the roundabout rather that round it he too, must have been pissed because after disembarking from the roundabout he still carried on weaving on the road
The only checks on motorists i saw was (yes, youve guessed it) outside Amnesia the morning after the La Troya closing party looking for drug fueled drivers (not against this as that to is a danger).
Pissed locals driving cars and motorbikes
Pissed tourists in hire cars
The Ultimate though was the 7.5 tonne lorry delivering bread which decided to drive up and over the roundabout rather that round it
he too, must have been pissed because after disembarking from the roundabout he still carried on weaving on the roadThe only checks on motorists i saw was (yes, youve guessed it) outside Amnesia the morning after the La Troya closing party looking for drug fueled drivers (not against this as that to is a danger).
copperband
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Do you think the BBC knew that it was Brandon they were filming, I think they thought he was just another "Vinny"
Another thing - would he really have signed a release (to let them use his image) if he knew how it was going to look on TV especially with the implications that may follow?
Either he signed it and was so wasted he didn't think any more of it (until last night
) or someone at the BBC is going to be in for a lawsuit for using an unauthorized image 
copperband said:
Do you think the BBC knew that it was Brandon they were filming, I think they thought he was just another "Vinny"
Another thing - would he really have signed a release (to let them use his image) if he knew how it was going to look on TV especially with the implications that may follow?
Either he signed it and was so wasted he didn't think any more of it (until last night
I wasn't aware that people featured in the program had to sign a 'release'?
Is this normal?
puppylover
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Drew said:copperband said:
Do you think the BBC knew that it was Brandon they were filming, I think they thought he was just another "Vinny"
Another thing - would he really have signed a release (to let them use his image) if he knew how it was going to look on TV especially with the implications that may follow?
Either he signed it and was so wasted he didn't think any more of it (until last night
I wasn't aware that people featured in the program had to sign a 'release'?
Is this normal?
In some cases yes, ..... but if you are being filmed and you are not happy about it you can stop them showing your image or threaten them with a law suit - trouble is getting the information from them in order to sue...... its a minefield. but yes it can be done in certain cases.
copperband
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Yes, it is the normal but not always enforced.
Basically the faces blanked out will be those who refused to sign a release or realised they were filmed and asked for their image to be concealed. I think it is law in the UK to remove any face where there is an unresolved legal matter.
It is a bit of a grey area though a friend of mine is the Producer of Bargain Hunt when they go to the auction and film with a room full of people they try to get as many releases of those in full frame of the camera but it doesn't always happen. There is also a difference between in the background and being in full shot .
Basically the faces blanked out will be those who refused to sign a release or realised they were filmed and asked for their image to be concealed. I think it is law in the UK to remove any face where there is an unresolved legal matter.
It is a bit of a grey area though a friend of mine is the Producer of Bargain Hunt when they go to the auction and film with a room full of people they try to get as many releases of those in full frame of the camera but it doesn't always happen. There is also a difference between in the background and being in full shot .