Do we need more techno nights?

jezz1838 said:
Depends what you would call techno there's so many different sounds and styles in techno these days and more full on techno is harder to come by in Ibiza most of the time
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This. imo there's not really much of what I would call "Techno". Techno for me will always be hard berlin-style stuff. I think maybe last year Cubbo was the closest thing you would get to that.
 
There's techno as in the really boring imo functional stuff that someone like adam beyer or christian smith plays, then there's acid techno which is as underground and dirty as it gets - step forward Dave the Drummer, Gayle San, the Liberators, Billy Nasty (frenetic squelchy acid is fun for an hour or so before it starts to gives you a headache) and then there's the 'intelligent' sound pushed by the yanks jeff mills, octave one, derrick may, carl craig + Surgeon, laurent garnier/plex etc with altogether funkier/jazzier influences. I'm hoping to hear some of that at Detroit Love and hope they don't dilute it too much for the casual tourists. Having said all that there is so much crossover now and a lot of guys freely mix in house, funk and italo into their sets. Trying to pigeonhole is futile. I guess it comes down to whether you want it consistently banging all night or sometimes welcome some respite - personally (as a punter) I can't go more than 45 minutes without needing to hear some warm pads/melodies to bring me up.
 
I would love to see a proper high BPM/intense techno night in Ibiza. The kind they love in Eastern Europe and that you get at Awakenings in the Netherlands, it's bordering on Gabba.

People like DJ Rush, Pet Duo, Frank Kvitta, DJ Murphy.

Not for the faint hearted.
 
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Yes music at cocoon will be more soft than @ onyx...surgeon, blawan, redshape,slam... Looking at their listings they want to bring there dutch and uk ppl after circoloco
Maybe on a monday a line up could be not interesting so if you don't like one party you can go to the other one
 
I'll be on the island from the 26 June and for the opening of onyx Dave Clarke surgeon & Rebekah great and is the sound I'm into coming from the Glasgow area where techno has always been the main form of electronic music but not going to cocoon is something I'd struggle with I've been going since 2000 and cocoon having a very loyal crowd I think this is where onyx might not get the numbers going to be great music but is there enough people into that harder techno in Ibiza ?
 
Cocoon just books the latest big ticket sellers each year, not necessarily techno djs in the true sense. Cocoon has never been strictly a techno night.

I don't think Space will have any problem pulling a crowd for the terrace on a Monday.
 
Do we need more techno nights?

To answer that question, i need to make a long introduction.

First about the trance topic: I'm (currently) full into Techno. Previously i had my roots at the Dutch Gabber/Hardcore scene as DJ and Promotor. I switched because the HC scene didn't evolved. Its the same as already said about Trance. Currently i'm 20yrs in the "scene".

People who attending those events (as mentioned above) are Fans.

Ibiza is different because it's a holiday destination. People just come for a short period. And for that you need (sadly) a business -> you need to fill the clubs. you need a music which is familiar to the most of the people. And currently that's EDM and (tech)house. Yes, you can fill big venues also with Trance or Hardcore, but not on Ibiza. Thats just a local thing.

But about the Topic: Techno is a little bit different. Its not a biiig scene, but still present on Ibiza in many ways - because its a kind of hype now. Techno is underground. And underground is cool. And everybody wants to be cool :D, so many Promotors/Clubs also try to be cool and everyone is waiting for the big bang (like EDM) to earn a lot of $$$.

A second important thing is motivation. Some Techno communities are currently extremely motivated, acting ultra professional - that's what i would call now the berlin-thing. (ENTER for example).

Another reason for so many techno nights is the techno itself: From outside Techno sounds like Techno ;). But in real you have many sub-genres. And every sub-genre think it's a own scene and needs a own techno night.

Techno at the moment is really interesting: Currently you have a move from the old guys to a new fresh scene. The berlin-thing is a own style of techno. Its way more darker, deeper, BUT the DJs are really professional - its not 90mins of pure bass, song followed by song. Its a 90min travel, sounding like just one song. A real silent, dark, deep opening which focus your mind completely for the next 90mins, a build-up, a high energetic part, ups and downs, and a great outro.

The old guys are the minimal guys like Hawtin, Liebing, ... don't blame me for that, but that's are those 90min of the same style. ENTER last year with Liebing and Richie was one of the most boring nights for me last year. You feel that this minimal techno style is the same like it ways 5 years ago.

Do we need more techno nights?

Yes and No.

Yes from the point of view that a lot of parties on Ibiza are mixed-stlye parties. Yes because if i'm in a dark deep mood and lost completely my mind (due to the music :P), the next DJ who plays a different style can destroy that mood. For me being on Ibiza is like sitting, chatting, outside, waiting for a techno DJ, shaking my ass of, an than back to the garden, repeating :D. I think i'm not the only one acting like that, so yes for more techno nights.

No because of the Ibiza reality. Money. You can't fill a club if you are to focused. You can maybe do it at Eden or smth similar, but if you are a tourist on Ibiza, you want to go to the big clubs.

Techno is not easy. To love/like techno, you need to listen it a lot, going to a lot of techno parties. A short Ibiza trip is - to short^^.
 
ONYX is aiming at a musically very educated and interested, if not picky crowd. on a day where the two longest standing and most credible techno institutions on the island have their party (cocoon and circoloco).
the group of alternative techno aficionados who think that even cocoon/circoloco isn't underground anymore is just too small. they could maybe fill vista club (materia might work) but NOT space terrace. it will not get the needed numbers through the door or you will share the floor with ibiza virgins getting in with a free wristband just to check out what space looks like, after they saw guetta at ushuaia next door.

just think about it: the majority will only have ONE monday in the whole season. as a techno fan - do you trust the long standing institution cocoon where you always had a blast in the past, or do you go to the new player unsure whether they will have the atmosphere needed?
 
I see onyx as the only 'proper' techno night looking st the DJ's they have on the rota. Yeah you'll get beyer and hawtin and Sven playing techno a mongy many others and I love them, but that real throw back raw techno and the vibe that goes with it can only be brought by big players like Clarke slam Fitzpatrick surgeon(ffs surgeon in Ibiza I think the world has gone mad :D)etc and even Sven but I feel he isn't as hard in Ibiza as when I've seen him elsewhere.
The best thing about this is that the towie wannabes that is full dc10 these days will stay away and people will get a great experience. I just can not see it failing. Dc10 is dead and living off its former glory, yes it's rammed but it's full of idiots and the music is shit.
 
while I can understand that some people don't like dc10 for its crowd and also agree that onyx looks like it's going to be a 'proper proper' techno night (apart from a few artists tbh), I couldn't disagree more to this:

joni.x said:
Cocoon is about a name now and it's a place where people who aren't really interested in music can go and enjoy some techno
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joni.x said:
Oops my mistake, in that last post I meant people who aren't really interested in specific genres of dance music , not music in general (or else they wouldn't be going clubbing lol). But you can't deny its a brand name - it's for this reason why Cocoon will ram out the whole of Amnesia where Onyx wouldnt fill out the whole of Space no matter who was playing (unless it was Richie Hawtin - yet another brand).
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when have you been to cocoon last time?

I'll be honest - everyone on here knows I'm a fan of that night. I've been going for more than a decade and have seen it pre its climax, during its climax where it was 'the night to go' (just the same as it's the case for music on now) and sold out every week, I've seen it falling when enter and music on were new and I've also seen it recovering the last two summers.

honestly, the last two summers to me were fantastic. most weeks was perfect in terms of attendance. busy but not rammed (last year maybe 3 dates were really packed; the closing, solomun and richie date, else it was just always perfect), an amazing mix of people that, in my opinion were all VERY MUCH into their music and no 'brand bandwagon add ons'. those, again IMO, were at enter and at music on during the last few years. of course cocoon is a brand just like every other promoter here on the island. but exactly cocoon is the one that least tries to emphase on brand awareness. their focus has always been about the music and about the fact that people on the dancefloor have a good time.

on onyx - I'm very curious to see how it'll do. I guess we should be able to have a better sense of this once all night by night line ups are out.
 
Cocoon may be a brand now but the first time I went was off the cuff think 2000 didn't really know it was techno pre facebook / internet heard someone saying Monday night at amnesia was something new to the island so I went had one of the best times ever been going since yes the music has changed (not as hard) and some of the guests are a bit main stream but it still has that nice vibe that it allways had I think that's why you have a bigger range of age than most Ibiza nights people who have been from the Start and still do not because of branding deffo the most loyal fans/clubbers on the island I'm
 
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