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Shouldn't surprise anybody, but Johnson and Hancock giving conflicting information within an hour of each other in the commons
PM saying restrictions will be on a county level,
Health Secretary saying they're considering borough by borough ?‍♂️
 
white_isle_calling said:
Shouldn't surprise anybody, but Johnson and Hancock giving conflicting information within an hour of each other in the commons
PM saying restrictions will be on a county level,
Health Secretary saying they're considering borough by borough ?‍♂️
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To be fair - they said they'll announce plans on Thursday, if not sooner if they can, yet still MPs ask questions about the plan now :rolleyes:
 
stivi said:
here's another update for spain and for the balearics and ibiza especially.

as of today, people arriving on international flights (or ferries that originated outside of spain) have to show a negative PCR covid test which was made 72hrs or less before departure in the country of origin. important detail: the text of the test has to be either in spanish or in english - other languages are NOT accepted currently. if you fail to bring a test and they check you, an antigen rapid test will be made at the airport. this won't be free though - you'll have to pay a penalty fee (details to follow, I think in the first few days they might not fine you for it). I also heard that currently they don't check everybody, but use an aleatoric system.

currently, people travelling from the mainland to the balearics (either via domestic flight or ferry) don't have to bring a test - but this is something the balearic government wants to change and thus might change over the course of the next months. also, for next summer,the balearic govt wants to pay for the antigen tests on arrival so that you don't get fined if you arrive without a negative PCR test. mind, this is still half a year away and if the good vaccine news continue, there's hoping the vulnerable will be immunized until then and if so, the entire testing strategy might change again.

the corona situation on the balearics is currently stable and improving slowly but steadily. the fourteen day incidence per 100k people has now gone down to 200 while lots of places on the mainland are still on double that figure. but overall, the situation in the entire country is getting better.

for those interested in detail numbers, follow these two guys on twitter for balearics and ibiza numbers: @fcotienda and @druizaguilera. they both produce daily stats. and for spain in general, check this page https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov/situacionActual.htm , further below, the second link under 'resumen de la situación, called 'actualización...' gets updated daily mon-fri at around 7pm CET and gives lots of detail numbers for the country and the autonomías.
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I hope that when we get the vaccine we get some sort of conformation (a certificate) so we don't have to go through all this. Would also be of interest to the insurers. Oh what a wonderful time to destroy the EHIC.
 
chez said:
Whats the chances pubs are going to reopen on the 2nd?
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A number between nought and zero if you are in the UK, any areas in tier 1 will be small and remote (and we probably won't be allowed to go there anyway). Happy days.
 
2H76 said:
A number between nought and zero if you are in the UK, any areas in tier 1 will be small and remote (and we probably won't be allowed to go there anyway). Happy days.
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Really? Plenty of places in the South East would fall into Tier 1 now I reckon. The county I live in was in the bottom 10% last week and has been for some time now, and it is definitely not small and remote. Devil in the detail of course...
 
NickyT said:
It's going to massively advantage the chains like Wetherspoons who have already got a monopoly, and put smaller businesses yet another step closer to closure.
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Being a "chain" doesn't automatically mean having sound finances. Here in Germany, chains were the main casualties of the first lockdown (Vapiano, Maredo, some franchising operators for the likes of Burger King went bankrupt). Most non-chain establishments survived. Although the government aid scheme in place during the first lockdown seems to have favored small businesses.

A new lockdown started in November, and affected businesses will get 70% of their revenue from last November as government aid, so together with the furlough scheme, they will likely survive too. Not sure what's going to happen in December (the continuation of the lockdown has been announced already, the continuation of the government aid hasn't yet).

Fur stuff like pubs, it would be nice to simply have a quota (like 2 pub visits per month per person). But people would start cheating, so instead we have either outright bans, or ridiculous regulations that drive customers away (and thus improve social distancing). So I think it's exactly the goal of UK regulations to make visiting a pub unbearable :)
 
white_isle_calling said:
Shouldn't surprise anybody, but Johnson and Hancock giving conflicting information within an hour of each other in the commons
PM saying restrictions will be on a county level,
Health Secretary saying they're considering borough by borough ?‍♂️
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Maybe I’m too London-Centric, but I thought “Boroughs” are the 32 areas that make up London? And “Counties” are how the rest of the country is divided up?
 
Springal said:
Sorry not ignore - I wrote something that was incorrect in response to your message
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I was thinking eh ignore what ?..it goes beyond the worry of just not being able to sink a few cold ones with your pals now, I have good relationships with alot of the pub owners around here and they have done loads for the town, fundraisers, charity doo's and so on generally just souls of the community. The heartbreak is starting to show on everyone and for the sake of the hard work of the independent boozers I hope they don't get dragged along much longer

Be a real shame if all we are left with in coming years is the likes of Marston's and weatherspoons
 
mr_why said:
Maybe I’m too London-Centric, but I thought “Boroughs” are the 32 areas that make up London? And “Counties” are how the rest of the country is divided up?
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It's an administrative nightmare, and deliberately so imo. But your county council controls things such as roads, education, healthcare much like a metropolitan zone and borough council, which is normally a smaller area, will cover public transport, electoral duties, rubbish collections
Each one is a separate local authority, separate councillors
It's a confusing, bickering, red tape mess

I'm only curious right now, because my borough and immediate neighbours are faring relatively well with covid. Further east, it's a different story. So Kent measured as a whole gives a false impression, one way or the other. But of course, you have to draw the line somewhere

Interested to see how they handle it. Realistically, if they're treating things on a county level, then the strictest measures need to be imposed because things are getting out of hand in Swale and Thanet
 
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mr_why said:
Maybe I’m too London-Centric, but I thought “Boroughs” are the 32 areas that make up London? And “Counties” are how the rest of the country is divided up?
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We have boroughs within our county. Burnley Borough Council and Lancashire County Council, they argue and point to each other on funding issues and when problems arise*.


*My opinion as a layman
 
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