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....are there actually no concerns about the astra zeneca vaccine in the uk, here in austria there are more and more who do not want to be vaccinated with it...?
 
metropolis said:
....are there actually no concerns about the astra zeneca vaccine in the uk, here in austria there are more and more who do not want to be vaccinated with it...?
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That's probably because of disinformation. It happened in Germany and now people are refusing it, real world evidence came out this week to show their claim was false. The claim in the first place was disingenuous and was politically motivated, there was not a single piece of evidence to say that it wasn't effective to begin with👍 .

As i stated a while back in here, that and Macron's comments on it were dangerous and will have an impact on the uptake of the vaccine, especially in france, a vaccine sceptic country.
 
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does feel like the AstraZeneca vaccine has been discredited at every possible stage. I guess when you rub your counterparts up the wrong way on the international stage, you make yourself a target for such a reaction
 
metropolis said:
....are there actually no concerns about the astra zeneca vaccine in the uk, here in austria there are more and more who do not want to be vaccinated with it...?
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Very few concerns about this vaccine versus Pfizer or Moderna - vaccine hesitancy in certain groups is about any vaccine at all rather than AZ versus Pfizer/Moderna. European Governments have made a rod for their own backs with the messaging they sent out over AZ, mainly about politics, hiding behind a lack of scientific data. Now that AZ is proving itself in older age groups as well as younger ones, they will have a very hard job changing peoples' minds after seeding so many doubts.

The Scottish data clearly supports the logical clinical assumptions explained by Chris Whitty as regards Astrazeneca effectiveness in reducing serious illness and death in the over-65s when the UK went ahead with the mass rollout to that age cohort. It is very effective against the much-feared "UK variant" that EU countries have been locking down and imposing curfews and travel restrictions to try to protect against, potentially more so than Pfizer after a single dose.

What AZ is probably less good at is countering the South African variant, however that is under control in the UK right now and Government is not thinking about facilitating holidays or travel to risky parts of the World for its citizens as an immediate priority. Because 80% of people vaccinated to date (including most elderly people) have been injected with Astrazeneca, the UK Government is aware that Autumn boosters to counteract infections and transmission of SA / Brazilian mutations, whether imported or arising naturally in the UK if overall infections rise again, are likely needed for those people especially from late Summer. But in the meantime they will have had months of protection from what is 99.9999% of the variants in circulation here.
 
Yeah Macron in particular should get hammered in the polls if his words have ended up with people refusing the AZ vaccine based on zero evidence.

There's also talk in Spain (who are now one of the top nations in the world for providing two doses I believe) that they maybe should have followed the UK approach in terms of single doses. I daresay that's another gamble that may have played a blinder for the UK - not in terms of preventing deaths because we're still one of the worst in the world for that, but in terms of bringing the pandemic closer to being under control.

Although, more importantly than all of that - @Hally what did you think of Bad Boys for Life?
 
djedwardsmith said:
Yeah Macron in particular should get hammered in the polls if his words have ended up with people refusing the AZ vaccine based on zero evidence.

There's also talk in Spain (who are now one of the top nations in the world for providing two doses I believe) that they maybe should have followed the UK approach in terms of single doses. I daresay that's another gamble that may have played a blinder for the UK - not in terms of preventing deaths because we're still one of the worst in the world for that, but in terms of bringing the pandemic closer to being under control.

Although, more importantly than all of that - @Hally what did you think of Bad Boys for Life?
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I don’t think the MHRA took a gamble.

They’re vaccine experts and will have very good reasons for recommending the dosing schedule.
 
djedwardsmith said:
Yeah Macron in particular should get hammered in the polls if his words have ended up with people refusing the AZ vaccine based on zero evidence.

There's also talk in Spain (who are now one of the top nations in the world for providing two doses I believe) that they maybe should have followed the UK approach in terms of single doses. I daresay that's another gamble that may have played a blinder for the UK - not in terms of preventing deaths because we're still one of the worst in the world for that, but in terms of bringing the pandemic closer to being under control.

Although, more importantly than all of that - @Hally what did you think of Bad Boys for Life?
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It may not be a popular opinion but my favourite of the three (low bar)

Whilst here hospitals loads better, almost normal
 
metropolis said:
....are there actually no concerns about the astra zeneca vaccine in the uk, here in austria there are more and more who do not want to be vaccinated with it...?
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No that I'm aware of, people are relived to have light at the end of the tunnel. The Scottish study should have helped with any fears but I don't think there were many other than anti-vac people.

My mother and father in law have had the AZ, my mother in law the Pfizer. Only FIL showed signs of illness for 2 days but he is knackered at the minute and on oxygen 14 hrs a day, so would expect his immune system to be weak?
 
I believe they had an estimate of uptake to be 70-80%. Early on in the process it was at 99% and Chris Whitty said the other day "So the extraordinary levels of uptake we’re seeing, over 90% in some cases, well over 90%". Naturally that will drop as we move in to groups that have less chance, and therefore less fear, of dying. But uptake is still well up on what was expected 👍
 
The European Commission/EU are yapping today about introducing vaccine passports - driven by "Spain and Greece who need the tourism".
 
spinksy123 said:
France and Germany not so keen apparently.......
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I think there will be a system of one single European vaccine passport/certificate and countries like France will be able to opt out of allowing tourists in. The EU rules on FoM allow for that anyway on public health grounds; so no great difficulty.
Question is, will the UK have the same passport or a similar one that's agreed to be valid? Knowing our government they will cock that up.
 
As Stivi wrote on another thread, the Balearics are looking quite good right now https://cnecovid.isciii.es/covid19/ so I hope that should the covid passport be brought in, even if the mainland still isn't right for tourism they can open up the islands. Has to be clear to tourists that they can't go to an island then hop over to the mainland - there would have to be vaxpass checks on all ports of entry to prevent that...eg the flight to Barcelona from Ibiza. That means, of course, the same applies to the Spanish travelling a domestic route, would they need their own vaxpass?
 
absolutely loving seeing everyone's moods elevate since the announcements earlier this week. still a few Karens on the socials though, its fine being a realist but also at this stage no need for the positivity hoovers.. however the majority of people ive seen or come across since Monday have that definite spring in their steps.. re-energized talking about booking this and that going here and there, our manager has been over-whelmed with the holiday requests gone in over the last few days.. seems everyone is after the end of June and for the Euros (bit of a headache but to be expected) ..anyway its fantastic to see some smilers again

roll on the Summer
 
chez said:
absolutely loving seeing everyone's moods elevate since the announcements earlier this week. still a few Karens on the socials though, its fine being a realist but also at this stage no need for the positivity hoovers.. however the majority of people ive seen or come across since Monday have that definite spring in their steps.. re-energized talking about booking this and that going here and there, our manager has been over-whelmed with the holiday requests gone in over the last few days.. seems everyone is after the end of June and for the Euros (bit of a headache but to be expected) ..anyway its fantastic to see some smilers again

roll on the Summer
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The only knock-back this week has been the cancellation of my team's league fixtures for the rest of the season! Hopefully they can arrange plenty of late spring friendly games so we can watch with a beer. A plus though is that my county cricket team are trying to get spectators in from April as "test" events, so hopefully that comes off. Mid April onwards is looking fine...just that March is a heck of a long month to get through and we're not there yet. Skoolies get to go back and play with their pals....we have to sit it out. Pah.
 
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