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JayDR8 said:
The point here with most people saying 'it's mostly young people getting it now'.. I dunno about elsewhere, but the UK has upped their testing now, there is literally no way to know if that is correct. Because in the height of the pandemic you could only be tested if you were admitted to hospital. Obviously 90% of people admitted to hospital were 60+, so it wasn't that young people didn't have it. The likelihood is that young people were passing it around simply because they are out and about more on average, we just weren't testing to be able to prove it.
Surely nobody thinks that somehow throughout Feb/March/April young people avoided it and it was just passing around the 60+ category mainly do they?
It obviously leads to other questions on are we more adept to deal with it?/Has the virus mutated to a weaker level like most do? But i don't think any country is shielding their older generation that well that they simply aren't getting it now and it's the young people that are.
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Excellent point!

I do think that the increase in testing in asymptomatic people and especially in those returning from holiday is leading to the fact more younger people are now part of the statistic. Those simply didn‘t get tested back in March and April.

Therefore I don‘t think the virus is less dangerous (though I don‘t know obviously) I just think we‘re now getting a better picture of how dangerous it is actually, counting more people who have it and don’t have any or only mild symptoms.
 
stivi said:
hate to say it - and I'm saying it without any sensationalism, but purely from an infections standpoint, various regions of spain are now sadly in that second wave. the good news is, as it's younger people who get it, it's a lot of asymptomatic or mild cases.

56 new cases here on ibiza and formentera in the last 24hrs doesn't sound great does it. but yeah, out of over 350 cases just 15 are in hospital
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Is the second wave hitting the same places as the first wave or areas of Spain that didn’t get hit too hard the first go around?
 
MrHullMysterious said:
For those in uk and want to see how area is doing. Mines gone up from 4 per 100k to 19/100k in a week ?

www.bbc.com

Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
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Still at 2 per 100k Hope it stays that way ? Doesn't seem like all the holidaymakers have had any impact locally and I reckon it's because the weather was so good up to mid-August they were mostly out doing outdoorsy things.
 
Michael1982 said:
Yep, flew out on the 23rd last year so by this time a year ago, I was literally counting down the hours... ?

But better times ahead, eh?

speaking of seems so long ago, was reading the first few pages of this thread from February, when we all thought this would blow over soon (me included...) Real mind twisting stuff...
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I know mate, still surprises me how this has all panned out. If someone told me in 2019 that a virus was going to bring the world to its knees in 2020 I’d of thought they were bloody mental.

I got a notification saying that last post was my 1000th and I got a trophy for it ?

Feel like about 900 of them have been in this thread alone ?

I should be writing a holiday report now, and 2021 observations and uploading pics etc

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JayDR8 said:
The point here with most people saying 'it's mostly young people getting it now'.. I dunno about elsewhere, but the UK has upped their testing now, there is literally no way to know if that is correct. Because in the height of the pandemic you could only be tested if you were admitted to hospital. Obviously 90% of people admitted to hospital were 60+, so it wasn't that young people didn't have it. The likelihood is that young people were passing it around simply because they are out and about more on average, we just weren't testing to be able to prove it.
Surely nobody thinks that somehow throughout Feb/March/April young people avoided it and it was just passing around the 60+ category mainly do they?
It obviously leads to other questions on are we more adept to deal with it?/Has the virus mutated to a weaker level like most do? But i don't think any country is shielding their older generation that well that they simply aren't getting it now and it's the young people that are.
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These are the questions governments should be investigating. Is herd immunity possible after all? Has the virus indeed mutated to a weaker strain, like Italy and the Netherlands experts said on national television?
Unfortunately they are not. They are holding on to the solution they already invested millions in, a vaccine.

Also; can we speak about a second wave when almost every government has started counting differently?
In the first wave we counted deaths and IC beds.
Now we are counting positive PCR tests.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Also; can we speak about a second wave when almost every government has started counting differently?
In the first wave we counted deaths and IC beds.
Now we are counting positive PCR tests.
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That ones easy. A lot of places didn’t have sufficient testing capacity or facilities. It just so happened that hospitalisation was a good measurement at that point. Certainly U.K. is in a better place with testing now.

But we’ve still changed our method of calculating to make the government look better - if you die 28 days after a positive covid test then they do NOT count this as a COVID related death ?
 
ElrowLovers said:
These are the questions governments should be investigating. Is herd immunity possible after all? Has the virus indeed mutated to a weaker strain, like Italy and the Netherlands experts said on national television?
Unfortunately they are not. They are holding on to the solution they already invested millions in, a vaccine.

Also; can we speak about a second wave when almost every government has started counting differently?
In the first wave we counted deaths and IC beds.
Now we are counting positive PCR tests.
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Re: herd immunity, the UK government has been looking into this for quite a while. The office for national statistics (ONS) does a weekly survey of ~28k randomly selected people in England and test for antibodies (with a very reliable lab test).

Currently it's coming back as only around 6% having antibodies (thus have some kind of immunity).

They are looking at increasing the sample size to around 200k and all 4 nations (Scotland, NI, Wales, England) by end of October. So they can get a sense of what's going on as we head into winter.

Also think they have a new test that differentiates between seasonal flu and covid, which will also be useful for winter.

Tl;dr; most European countries that are checking for antibodies are only finding a rate of 5-10% (including Sweden) ?

60% is bare min for herd immunity but more like 80%+ needed.

Concern is asymptomatic people don't generate a strong response thus no/little antibodies so can repeatedly get infected and spread it over and over. Vaccines tend to produce a stronger and consistent response thus "likely" to help asymptomatic peeps generate antibodies. (Guess that what phase 3 trials will find out)
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Re: herd immunity, the UK government has been looking into this for quite a while. The office for national statistics (ONS) does a weekly survey of ~28k randomly selected people in England and test for antibodies (with a very reliable lab test).

Currently it's coming back as only around 6% having antibodies (thus have some kind of immunity).

They are looking at increasing the sample size to around 200k and all 4 nations (Scotland, NI, Wales, England) by end of October. So they can get a sense of what's going on as we head into winter.

Also think they have a new test that differentiates between seasonal flu and covid, which will also be useful for winter.

Tl;dr; most European countries that are checking for antibodies are only finding a rate of 5-10% (including Sweden) ?

60% is bare min for herd immunity but more like 80%+ needed.

Concern is asymptomatic people don't generate a strong response thus no/little antibodies so can repeatedly get infected and spread it over and over. Vaccines tend to produce a stronger and consistent response thus "likely" to help asymptomatic peeps generate antibodies. (Guess that what phase 3 trials will find out)
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Antibodies aren’t the only mechanism our bodies have to fight viruses. T cells play a massive part and currently aren’t something that’s tested for, but studies into them are getting more attention.
 
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BenH said:
Wow just wow
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It's what happens EVERYWHERE.

Our politicians have said the hospitals are seeing an increase of Covid infections. Wich is not true, they are seeing an increase of positive PCR tests. They are turning that into 'infections'. The media is turning 'infections' into 'patients'. This has gotten to a point where even the Amsterdam hospitals have put out their own press statement saying: THE HOSPITALS IN AMSTERDAM ARE EMPTY, THERE ARE LITTLE TO NONE COVICD PATIENTS.

Another hilarious example. The main news site in the Netherlands was stating yesterday: "the amount of people in general needing Intensive Care has increased yesterday". If you zoom in, you can read they are talking about IC in general..so people with accidents, other conditions...the amount of COVID patients on IC actually went down by 3, making it a total of 39 Covid patients in the IC. So if the numbers don't fit your narrative...just count different numbers that do fit your narrative.

In 'camp-fear' no one wants to hear this. Newspapers are not publishing those statements.
They live of 'camp-fear', those are the people that are buying their premium articles or their newspapers in the stores. So they keep saying that the second wave is here or coming very soon. But this is NOT a second wave. We're testing more and we're seeing healthy young people, with no symptoms testing positive. Could be a dead virus part, could be an active virus part. But they have no or very mild symptoms. And yet the governments AND media are using those numbers to show us there is a second wave and we should lockdown again.
 
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ElrowLovers said:
Has this been posted here before? It's hilarious to see how strong the journalist wants to keep the message of fear alive.
The doctor however provides a very calm and different answer. It's in spanish and with English subs.

https://www.facebook.com/1205147341/posts/10222763529575910
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He just pissed on her chips.

That journalist at the end was pretty triggered too.

Suppose the lesson here is don't argue with doctors or try to push your narrative on them.
 
lee111s said:
Antibodies aren’t the only mechanism our bodies have to fight viruses. T cells play a massive part and currently aren’t something that’s tested for, but studies into them are getting more attention.
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Absolutely. T-cells clear the virus from infected cells, antibodies stop it getting in in the first place. That's why I alluded to people with low/no antibody response getting infected over and over.

A crap analogy would be security in a club noticing a muppet on dance floor causing problems and kicking them out (t-cells), where as bouncers on the door stop them coming in and causing trouble in first place (antibodies)

B-cells are our immune "memory" which iirc generate antibodies. They just ain't remembering the virus strongly in asymptomatic peeps


Edit: and should say yeah, studies are showing covid in some people depletes or fatigues their t-cells so they are unable to effectively clear the virus. Leading to a larger and larger immune response, and things going down hill and out of control ?
 
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Just got back from gym, first time back and it's exactly as it was 5 months ago (inc broken equipment). Very few bothering to wipe down or keep distance.

On leaving bumped into older guy who talked to time to time. Said covid is all bullshit. I'm like tell that to my mate who mum died from it.

He's like "ah but did she". Well I think the positive test and dying on a ventilator, its yeah!? He then goes on about only an issue if you're BAME or have underlying condition. So like a large part of society then ?‍♂️?‍♂️ (how many have diabetes, overweight, asthma and so on)

Smh. Maybe we just shouldn't bother trying anymore.
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Just got back from gym, first time back and it's exactly as it was 5 months ago (inc broken equipment). Very few bothering to wipe down or keep distance.

On leaving bumped into older guy who talked to time to time. Said covid is all bullshit. I'm like tell that to my mate who mum died from it.

He's like "ah but did she". Well I think the positive test and dying on a ventilator, its yeah!? He then goes on about only an issue if you're BAME or have underlying condition. So like a large part of society then ?‍♂️?‍♂️ (how many have diabetes, overweight, asthma and so on)

Smh. Maybe we just shouldn't bother trying anymore.
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Thats a shame. Do you train at a chain gym or is it a privately run one?

Its very different at the gym I train at. It's a family run gym and they have went over and above to ensure they surpass the minimum requirements. They also very firmly enforce the new rules. Everyone in there enjoys their training and are all playing the game. Place smells like Disneyland for clean freaks, disinfectant getting sprayed all over the shop.

Being a family run gym it's their livelihood and they've put a lot of work into making sure they can get through this new normal. They also totally revamped the place over the lockdown months.

Find a better gym if you can mate.
 
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AntonioGeordio said:
Thats a shame. Do you train at a chain gym or is it a privately run one?

Its a very different at the gym I train at. It's a family run gym and they have went over and above to ensure they surpass the minimum requirements. They also very firmly enforce the new rules. Everyone in there enjoys their training and are all playing the game. Place smells like Disneyland for clean freaks, disinfectant getting sprayed all over the shop.

Being a family run gym it's their livelihood and they've put a lot of work into making sure they can get through this new normal. They also totally revamped the place over the lockdown months.

Find a better gym if you can mate.
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Its David lloyd. The staff do try, it's just the members I guess! I'll only be going once a week as have enough stuff at home to train rest of time (besides ?legs lol)

I guess if not affected you directly it can all seem all a ballache.
 
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