chez
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I may make out we visiting family and see what they say, yeah fingers crossed
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FlatErik
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And this is what the city of Amsterdam does to the organizations that are trying to keep their head above the water and provide the people some form of seated clubbing...they throw in undercover agents as visitors and once they see people dancing (in the open air ffs) they close the venue.
From LOFI in Amsterdam:
"Dear public,
The municipality of Amsterdam has decided to close Lofi for four weeks, after two undercover officers visited one of our events last Friday. They observed some of the visitors enjoying music by dancing in the open air. This is not in accordance with the current regulations, which has led the local authorities to decide upon closing, a decision to be respected. All planned events for the next month will be postponed.
Since the start of the epidemic in March, our 2000m2 outside terrain has offered a safe space to countless visitors, resulting in several amazing nights filled with music, food and art. We’ve made a continuous effort to implement and follow all imposed Covid-19 safety rules and regulations, including extra security, personal hosts, proper distancing, visitor screenings and constant health-checks. Creating memorable events, following all procedures and keeping our venue from going under, has been challenging. Still, since the beginning of the epidemic, neither the GGD nor a single visitor reported a positive case of Covid-19 contamination to us.
During these unprecedented times, our events are the only tools to keep our staff on board and make a living for them and their families. The new reality we’re dealing with is sometimes hard to embrace. We hope that our (future) visitors will stay safe and not resort to illegal events without any supervision, a potential result of the current times.
Hopefully we can re-open Lofi in four weeks. With the empathy and support of our visitors, and in collaboration with the local authorities of Amsterdam."
From LOFI in Amsterdam:
"Dear public,
The municipality of Amsterdam has decided to close Lofi for four weeks, after two undercover officers visited one of our events last Friday. They observed some of the visitors enjoying music by dancing in the open air. This is not in accordance with the current regulations, which has led the local authorities to decide upon closing, a decision to be respected. All planned events for the next month will be postponed.
Since the start of the epidemic in March, our 2000m2 outside terrain has offered a safe space to countless visitors, resulting in several amazing nights filled with music, food and art. We’ve made a continuous effort to implement and follow all imposed Covid-19 safety rules and regulations, including extra security, personal hosts, proper distancing, visitor screenings and constant health-checks. Creating memorable events, following all procedures and keeping our venue from going under, has been challenging. Still, since the beginning of the epidemic, neither the GGD nor a single visitor reported a positive case of Covid-19 contamination to us.
During these unprecedented times, our events are the only tools to keep our staff on board and make a living for them and their families. The new reality we’re dealing with is sometimes hard to embrace. We hope that our (future) visitors will stay safe and not resort to illegal events without any supervision, a potential result of the current times.
Hopefully we can re-open Lofi in four weeks. With the empathy and support of our visitors, and in collaboration with the local authorities of Amsterdam."
Myron Gaines
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It's not even about covid anymore, it's just power flexing. They recruit people that get off on being authoritarian.
naomih
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I'm in the same boat as you!! absolute nightmare
Buckley
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My 5 year could have managed this better, let alone Corbyn. The idea that this at least better that we could have had is ridiculous.
Clara
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Indeed. Frustrating that the Murdoch press will still claim that 'Boris' did an excellent job and people will believe it.
Just watch the recent The Rise Of The Murdoch Dynasty documentary to see how much power he holds in determining the outcome of elections. Highly fascinating although hugely depressing.
FlatErik
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Exactly this. Nightlife, festivals and the usage of drugs has always been a thorn in the eye of the mayor of Amsterdam and our minister of Justice and Covid is exactly the stick they needed.
BareBen91
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Agree. I didn't vote for either of them but can't imagine anyone could have done any worse
Ibizapaul
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Not sure anyone is saying Boris has done an excellent job...even the Murdoch press. At this rate The Sun will be backing Labour again like they did for Blair in '97...
chez
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Every person of power is under massive ridicule right now I dont think there any government that has got it cock on from the get go, this is brand new tbh I voted to remain but I haven't dragged my knuckles and thrown shade at the position we are in because at the end of the day this is f***ery 9n a global scale.. the reality of it is the balance of keeping a country going and also safe is near impossible
stivi
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hate to say it - and I'm saying it without any sensationalism, but purely from an infections standpoint, various regions of spain are now sadly in that second wave. the good news is, as it's younger people who get it, it's a lot of asymptomatic or mild cases.
56 new cases here on ibiza and formentera in the last 24hrs doesn't sound great does it. but yeah, out of over 350 cases just 15 are in hospital
56 new cases here on ibiza and formentera in the last 24hrs doesn't sound great does it. but yeah, out of over 350 cases just 15 are in hospital
Buckley
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If there was a consistent attempt to maintain that balance, I'd agree that leaders need some support in an unprecedented situation.
In reality, as well a comic level of incompetence, with a cabinet full of incapables promoted for supporting an incompetent PM, we've seen a fire sale where associates have been thrown as much money as possible under the cover of the crisis.
Suggesting that's anything than a fact just means you've fallen for the most visible of cons.
JayDR8
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The point here with most people saying 'it's mostly young people getting it now'.. I dunno about elsewhere, but the UK has upped their testing now, there is literally no way to know if that is correct. Because in the height of the pandemic you could only be tested if you were admitted to hospital. Obviously 90% of people admitted to hospital were 60+, so it wasn't that young people didn't have it. The likelihood is that young people were passing it around simply because they are out and about more on average, we just weren't testing to be able to prove it.
Surely nobody thinks that somehow throughout Feb/March/April young people avoided it and it was just passing around the 60+ category mainly do they?
It obviously leads to other questions on are we more adept to deal with it?/Has the virus mutated to a weaker level like most do? But i don't think any country is shielding their older generation that well that they simply aren't getting it now and it's the young people that are.
MrHullMysterious
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Yup very hard to know.
Perhaps young people who are partying are sticking to their social group so it doesn't "matter" as much. Except where they live in multigenerational households which leads it to it spreading through diff demographics. (As we see in mancs area, Leicester, and now brum?
)Good source of latest info/research:
I just read the preface mostly for each article, as the technical stuff they go into ?
One article describes a mutation earlier in the year in south asia that seems to lead to people needing oxygen support less.
And then there is another showing post mortems with covid in other organs and pancreatitis ? (maybe why diabetics at higher risk?
)Hopefully info about positive mutations will appear in that page. Although proper science will always lag behind hunches as takes time to do proper analysis.
MrHullMysterious
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I guess the balancing act they've gotta negotiate for hot spots is that if they do nothing they have to wait 3 weeks to see if cases/admissions go up.
But if do and then impose measures, you've got a lag of another 3 weeks of increasing admissions, then another 3 before affects of measures are seen and it back down to "normal".
Suspect that why they seen to be a bit over zealous when cases up but admissions ain't. They bricking it if get it wrong and end up blamed for it.?
Maybe pick one hot spot to do nothing with and see what happens. Bit Russian roulette though.
For those in uk and want to see how area is doing. Mines gone up from 4 per 100k to 19/100k in a week ?
Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers
Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
www.bbc.com
JayDR8
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They publish NHS triage data and 111 calls, which obviously go up within a few days of any spikes. This can be used to see when a spike is likely to be comin.I guess the balancing act they've gotta negotiate for hot spots is that if they do nothing they have to wait 3 weeks to see if cases/admissions go up.
But if do and then impose measures, you've got a lag of another 3 weeks of increasing admissions, then another 3 before affects of measures are seen and it back down to "normal".
Suspect that why they seen to be a bit over zealous when cases up but admissions ain't. They bricking it if get it wrong and end up blamed for it.?
Maybe pick one hot spot to do nothing with and see what happens. Bit Russian roulette though.
For those in uk and want to see how area is doing. Mines gone up from 4 per 100k to 19/100k in a week ?
Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers
Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
MrHullMysterious
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Yeah I guess so, but what I meant is the lag due to incubation and people presenting with symptoms (if at all). Apparently it's somewhere between 3-28 days with the average been 7-8 ish (previously was thought to be 5ish). Once you see the spike coming you take action, but potentially got a lot of people just infected.
Its kinda like taking a pill. No action after an hour, so drop another. 10 mins later start feeling it come on strong, and you think "oh, I'm gonna be buggered in an hour" ?
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