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white_isle_calling said:
How can there be such discrepancy between developed nations? Some countries are rolling out antibody tests and yet we're adamant that a reliable one doesn't exist?
I know as a Brit it's easy to get caught into mentality that the UK has the highest standard across the board (also see our attitude to any overseas law enforcement), but what's the real story here?
Spain is not a science or medical backwater. And if the Germans are trusting their test, then surely nobody here would suggest they would settle for anything less than a very high accuracy rate

I think I have my own suspicions, but curious what other people think
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Comes down to cost for me.

Ocado buy 1m tests at £15 and they have quality concerns over them - https://www.theguardian.com/busines...for-ocado-staff-may-be-unreliable-union-warns

Tests that are more reliable are up towards £300 a test.

Doesn't take a genius to work out the resistance to rolling it out.

Problem wont be resolved until there is a cost effective testing solution. Not sure where the German test sits across that scale and how reliable it is.
 
Hurr1cane said:
Id suggest there are multiple issues at play. First, there are just not enough to go around. Every country on earth is looking to acquire fast and reliable tests. There is a need for hundreds of millions of tests worldwide and they just cannot be produced in large enough quantities at this time. Second, there are multiple types of tests. Easy to use, rapid response testing (think home pregnancy test, but with a finger stick for blood) is easier to use widely, but is generally going to be less accurate than a test that takes 3 days for a result and is run in a lab with precision equipment.

Lastly, if you know the sensitivity and specificity of your test, you can do the math to work backwards from your results to create a range of likely results. While this is not useful to the individual (am I immune or not?) it is still useful when making policy. There is no appreciable difference to knowing exactly 5% of the population has been infected vs a range 3-7% of the population has been infected.

Its all about trade-offs and picking the right test for a given use.
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Finger prick/blood spot for rapid antibody testing in my understanding is notoriously poor. Even for well researched tests like HIV, there are still a lot of false positives. I think that’s one reason why there’s so much confusion about the antigen tests and wildly different percentages. Really it needs proper testing in labs.
 
Springal said:
For those wanting positive only news I'd suggest not reading this , but this article on some of the tests coming out of Italy is fairly grim

www.repubblica.it

Coronavirus, lo scienziato che consiglia Macron: "Anche noi verso Fase 2 ma gli immuni sono troppo pochi, rischio recidive"

Jean-François Delfraissy, l'equivalente oltralpe di Brusaferro, è convinto che potremmo avere un vaccino entro l'anno. "Francia e It…
www.repubblica.it www.repubblica.it
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Are we beginning to know how many French people are immunized?
"We have the first serological studies and unfortunately they are not encouraging. In the areas most affected by the epidemic we see that immunity is around 10 percent. From what I know it is the same in Lombardy. It is much less than what we we waited, and we hoped. We are very far from a natural immunity in the population. But there is another problem ".
Which?
"This virus is very particular. We noticed that the lifespan of the protective antibodies against Covid-19 is very short. And we see more and more cases of recurrence in people who have already had a first infection."
So nobody is really protected against coronavirus, not even those who have already fallen ill?
"It seems so. This is why our committee no longer recommends an immune license, a sort of pass for those who have had a first infection."

Damn ?
 
MrHullMysterious said:
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Are we beginning to know how many French people are immunized?
"We have the first serological studies and unfortunately they are not encouraging. In the areas most affected by the epidemic we see that immunity is around 10 percent. From what I know it is the same in Lombardy. It is much less than what we we waited, and we hoped. We are very far from a natural immunity in the population. But there is another problem ".
Which?
"This virus is very particular. We noticed that the lifespan of the protective antibodies against Covid-19 is very short. And we see more and more cases of recurrence in people who have already had a first infection."
So nobody is really protected against coronavirus, not even those who have already fallen ill?
"It seems so. This is why our committee no longer recommends an immune license, a sort of pass for those who have had a first infection."

Damn ?
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I think this probably sounds worse than it is. My understanding is that a life long herd immunity squashing the virus is unlikely but in the short term most will not catch the virus a second time. With annual vaccines we should be able to stay on top of the virus in a similar way to flu
 
Couldn’t believe that - the London police chief was there too FFS !!!!!

Odd too as Westminster bridge isn’t a residential area, so people actually went there especially
 
The President of the United States is actively inciting rebellion against states that are extending lock downs. Michigan had a protest this week and they have the 4th most cases in the US.

The states are forming regional coalitions because the federal government has been so inept. I'm in a pretty safe state thusfar, but we share borders with some worse off states which means we have to coordinate with them. If we were to open up, people would flee the lock down to here. Its starting to grow resentment that even though we are following orders, its doesn't make any difference if other states are messed up.
 

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Tiffany Barrett said:
They’ve just extended our 24hr lockdown again so we’re in the same boat at Spain, we’re just finishing up week 4 I think. Would love it if the rest of the world could pull it together so we could crack on with this.

That video of people clapping in Westminster Bridge was a bloody joke!!
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stivi said:
thought the same. couldn't believe my eyes
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What were they clapping for?
 
Driving around London over last couple of days going to work (key worker) I really think the lockdown is falling to bits in the UK. People openly having beers, picnics, playing football, cricket, tennis on Wandsworth common. Seems to have fallen out the media but we need to crank it up a notch for a few weeks for the long term benefit imo, people taking the absolutes p1ss.
 
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