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Johnny Vodka said:
I think we can do better if some people are less greedy. We need less air and car travel, we need to less eat meat, we need to ditch fast fashion and silly over consumption fantasies... We need to find a different way of valuing people, where nurses are worth more than bankers and footballers. That's just for starters.
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Don't wish to sound snidey, I know these replies can come across like that sometimes.

I think there is very little chance of this, sadly. If anything it will be worse.

The capitalist culture motivates the greedy among us.

No where more prevalent, than in Ibiza.
 
Given that these will be presumably be fit and younger people that seems a concerning amount to be hospitalised, just under one in twenty
 

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Hally said:
Given that these will be presumably be fit and younger people that seems a concerning amount to be hospitalised, just under one in twenty
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These places are floating petri dishes.

From my limited knowledge passed on from a Bootneck mate, aircraft carriers aren't built for comfort. Pretty cramped conditions and its known for things to spread very easily via air handling units. Thinking about it, Covid 19 will thrive in a place like this.

Probably the most impossible place ever to enforce any sort of social distancing, apart from a submarine maybe.
 
AntonioGeordio said:
These places are floating petri dishes.

From my limited knowledge passed on from a Bootneck mate, aircraft carriers aren't built for comfort. Pretty cramped conditions and its known for things to spread very easily via air handling units. Thinking about it, Covid 19 will thrive in a place like this.

Probably the most impossible place ever to enforce any sort of social distancing, apart from a submarine maybe.
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I get it would spread like wildfire, seems a lot hospitalised from a young, fit cohort
 
cunninghamali said:
Trump is with holding money for WHO organisation..... Twat!
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Understatement lol. Very twatish.

However, he is very shrewd in these matters. He can come across as a bit of a bumbler at times, especially in this health crisis where he is clearly out of his depth.

But the other side of this crisis is his natural environment. Moves like stopping funding to the WHO are how he plays his game, and he likes to always appear strong and in control of things. He has his eye on another term obviously.

I think its a gesture more than anything, or call it posturing on the world stage.

The voluntary contributions to the WHO outstrip governmental contributions by about 3:1.

Some excerpts from 2017:
  • Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation $324 654 317
  • Bloomberg Family Foundation $14 314 000
  • Carter Center $5 470 000 (the ex-president)
  • GAVI Alliance $133 365 051 (alliance led by Bill&Melinda Gates Foundation)
  • United States of America $401 108 929 (voluntary)
  • China $10 584 499 (voluntary)
As far as I can see charities provide far more funding than the US with Bill Gates outfit alone outstripping the USA with $458millon.

I imagine he will ramp up pressure on China post lockdown.
 
AntonioGeordio said:
Understatement lol. Very twatish.

However, he is very shrewd in these matters. He can come across as a bit of a bumbler at times, especially in this health crisis where he is clearly out of his depth.

But the other side of this crisis is his natural environment. Moves like stopping funding to the WHO are how he plays his game, and he likes to always appear strong and in control of things. He has his eye on another term obviously.

I think its a gesture more than anything, or call it posturing on the world stage.

The voluntary contributions to the WHO outstrip governmental contributions by about 3:1.

Some excerpts from 2017:
  • Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation $324 654 317
  • Bloomberg Family Foundation $14 314 000
  • Carter Center $5 470 000 (the ex-president)
  • GAVI Alliance $133 365 051 (alliance led by Bill&Melinda Gates Foundation)
  • United States of America $401 108 929 (voluntary)
  • China $10 584 499 (voluntary)
As far as I can see charities provide far more funding than the US with Bill Gates outfit alone outstripping the USA with $458millon.

I imagine he will ramp up pressure on China post lockdown.
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That's so interesting!

I like Bill gates I don't know why people give him a hard time... He knew the pandemic was going to happen and knew we weren't ready

Bill gates weren't happy that Trump is holding funding for WHO.. Hopefully Mr gates will write another cheque
 
Hally said:
I get it would spread like wildfire, seems a lot hospitalised from a young, fit cohort
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I think you are better qualified to comment on that. The info is a bit vague in regards to age groups etc. Nothing in the article suggests they are young, or the hospitalised sailors are in the younger age bracket.

Maybe a case of media hyperbole, but the evidence suggests it was serious enough to bring them home early from a deployment which I think is quite significant in itself.
 
AntonioGeordio said:
I think you are better qualified to comment on that. The info is a bit vague in regards to age groups etc. Nothing in the article suggests they are young, or the hospitalised sailors are in the younger age bracket.

Maybe a case of media hyperbole, but the evidence suggests it was serious enough to bring them home early from a deployment which I think is quite significant in itself.
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I just presumed sailors would be youngish, mainly under 40? No idea really. I've seen death figures for age groups and below 50 is very low, haven't seen hospitalisation numbers. I've not personally seen anyone under 50 without a pre-existing condition so 1 in 20 seemed a lot

Long story short, I dont want to be hospitalised!
 
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cunninghamali said:
That's so interesting!

I like Bill gates I don't know why people give him a hard time... He knew the pandemic was going to happen and knew we weren't ready

Bill gates weren't happy that Trump is holding funding for WHO.. Hopefully Mr gates will write another cheque
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I’ve worked in the healthcare sector for a while and have an academic background in global health, and I have no idea the purpose of the WHO. It’s completely ill equipped to lead a strategic response to anything more complex than deciding whether the buffet for delegates will be sandwiches or wraps. Most of the work it seems to do is small well meaning projects in the developing world, which is great but it’s not really a ‘world’ leader in anything. Part of the inquest in years to come should be why do we not have a real agency that’s properly resourced and with suitable powers, and how do we create one.
 
cunninghamali said:
That's so interesting!

I like Bill gates I don't know why people give him a hard time... He knew the pandemic was going to happen and knew we weren't ready

Bill gates weren't happy that Trump is holding funding for WHO.. Hopefully Mr gates will write another cheque
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Trump and Gates aren't known for their great fondness of each other ?
 
soulcompromise said:
My situation is stable, God willing. But I'm concerned that the fallout from this; the economy, is going to bring tragedy. I read something today that said the situation in the United States will be worse than it was in the financial meltdown of 2008 (don't know if anybody remembers/we had mass lay-offs and lots of people went broke/were homeless). To me, it sounds like people are going to lose their homes, which worries me greatly.
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I remember it painfully well. Was a particular dark period on my time line.

Had just left the army after spending most of my early 20's in Iraq, and had saved up a bit of money to return to civilian life and make a fresh start.

The recession hit Newcastle hard.

Within 18 months I was back in the army.

Sitting on an airfield at Al Minhad, south of Dubai, waiting for a connecting onward flight to Afghanistan thinking to myself 'how the f*** did this happen' ?‍♂️

I'm hoping for better things as we move out of the lockdown and get the economy back on its feet. ?
 
Hally said:
I just presumed sailors would be youngish, mainly under 40? No idea really. I've seen death figures for age groups and below 50 is very low, haven't seen hospitalisation numbers. I've not personally seen anyone under 50 without a pre-existing condition so 1 in 20 seemed a lot

Long story short, I dont want to be hospitalised!
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Same here buddy.

I have a good mate that collapsed once when we were younger. We were out running on a warm day, nothing out of the ordinary.

Turns out he had an underlying condition he was unaware of. The doctors think he'd picked up a tropical virus somehow, possibly laying dormant.

I imagine times like this aren't the best for finding out you have an underlying condition :(
 
SeoulSaint said:
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I’ve worked in the healthcare sector for a while and have an academic background in global health, and I have no idea the purpose of the WHO. It’s completely ill equipped to lead a strategic response to anything more complex than deciding whether the buffet for delegates will be sandwiches or wraps. Most of the work it seems to do is small well meaning projects in the developing world, which is great but it’s not really a ‘world’ leader in anything. Part of the inquest in years to come should be why do we not have a real agency that’s properly resourced and with suitable powers, and how do we create one.
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Its impotence is a feature not a bug. Especially since many of the diseases that put western nations at risk over the past century (TB, Smallpox, Polio, Malaria, Measles) are now eradicated or well controlled. To most western governments the WHO is a charity to help poor third world people, not themselves.

There isn't a leader in the world who is interested in ceding any decision making power to the WHO.
 
SeoulSaint said:
I’ve worked in the healthcare sector for a while and have an academic background in global health, and I have no idea the purpose of the WHO. It’s completely ill equipped to lead a strategic response to anything more complex than deciding whether the buffet for delegates will be sandwiches or wraps. Most of the work it seems to do is small well meaning projects in the developing world, which is great but it’s not really a ‘world’ leader in anything. Part of the inquest in years to come should be why do we not have a real agency that’s properly resourced and with suitable powers, and how do we create one.
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I have to agree with you 100%.

I have experience of working alongside the UN in South Sudan in 2017. I will take nothing away from their front line staff, working in horrendous places and straight up nightmare scenarios risking their lives. Take my hat off to them ( and the Medical Sans Frontier guys and girls)

However the corruption in the upper echelons would shame a Neo Nazi into submission. I don't think corrupt is even a strong enough word.

We had a saying at the time 'You can't spell unethical without UN'
 
AntonioGeordio said:
Same here buddy.

I have a good mate that collapsed once when we were younger. We were out running on a warm day, nothing out of the ordinary.

Turns out he had an underlying condition he was unaware of. The doctors think he'd picked up a tropical virus somehow, possibly laying dormant.

I imagine times like this aren't the best for finding out you have an underlying condition :(
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This "no underlying health issues" - my best mate, early 50's, club long distance runner, no conditions, never smoked....dropped dead. An artery into (or away from) the heart became clogged and burst, reason unknown; but the same thing happened to a cousin of mine in her early 60's, although not as fit there were no known conditions, but hospital pulled her round after an op on an artery.

So the chances are, probably statistically, that the % of those dying without known conditions may well have had them in the background.
It was pure chance that while I was at the doc's he just said "let me try your pulse" and he discovered I had arrhythmia (which many do and doesn't need treatment, just watching) - if I hadn't popped in for a check-up I would never have known.

If everyone had a thorough MOT (scans, the works) every five years we may find many do have an underlying condition, but that's way too expensive and there simply isn't the time or infrastructure to do that.

But again I underline I'm no medical expert at all; it's just my experience of those around me.
 
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