heavanisibiza
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Id say unless there's an anti viral treatment to this, stay the f*** away from the island we love.
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hook
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Maybe not. But whether it’s realistic or not the plan is in place incase it’s required, and we don’t really know what the next few months will bring, so let’s hope things improve to the extent that September turns out a worst case rather than best.
Digital2013
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There was a discussion on the UK Government briefing today that taking blood of those who have recovered from Corona and giving this blood (that has antibodies) to those suffering could improve their surival chances.
Obviously very early days but the knowlege of the virus is growing daily, theres a lot of clever people in the world focusing on cracking this problem so I still have hope.
heavanisibiza
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Definitely, and every resource is chasing a treatment. I know there was plasma from recovered patients sent to Italy but know nothing of the results.
Lets hope some f***er with a brain like a water melon hits the jackpot soon.
kimajy
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So we have had one family murder-suicide and at least one suicide
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/man-34-takes-life-pushed-edge-coronavirus-isolation-12506447/?
I am sure there will be a lot more suicides of people with mental health problems as a result of confinement. They are just not being given space in the press because these people are clearly dispensible on account of their inability to handle isolation for the greater good. It is the elephant in the room - some pushed to suicide by confinement who likely otherwise would not have died. Nobody wants to face up to this, because mental health cannot be seen like physical symptoms can. I am guessing they will all just be dismissed as collateral damage.
ComingHome
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Ibiza, en silencio: el coronavirus borra la temporada de discotecas
'Catedrales' de la música electrónica como Pachá, Privilege, Hi Ibiza y hasta Ushuaïa, de la familia Matutes, congelan los 'openings' y asumen fuertes caídas de ingresos
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not sure if this has been posted but very Intersting article on the business behind the Ibiza/corona virus landscape.
basically it’s now a fact bosses in the industry have accepted the 2020 season is over clubbing wise.
some DJs were paid in advance and fixed costs of the nightclubs are still there, which could see them really struggle.
Personally, we booked two trips this season & I was still optimistic, I can finally accept it’s over which leaves many of us gutted.
But this is bigger now, can all the venues survive post-corona virus?
heavanisibiza
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Definitely a relevant concern, and equally distressing if you had people saying:
"but they were already depressed and this just finished them off"
This is definitely another consequence of this, amd id imagine there will be huge numbers of people even with no prev mental health difficulties presenting for treatment.
PTSD is usually associated with war veteran's and people who found themselves staring death in the face in cert situations.
Well here we are, with an enemy you cant even see.
Coupled with the financial fall-out i dont doubt that's definitely gonna compound loss of life.
That said, i still say, the best way to get over this is to stay home and wait until the f***er is treated in tolerable numbers.
jimmiz
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A complaint has been filed, they will be prosecuted by justice.
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stivi
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here's a good article with I think a realistic outlook on how the return to normality could look like. it's in spanish, but google translator is your friend
Los primeros pasos tras el confinamiento: así volveremos a la vida normal -
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04...namiento-asi-volveremos-a-la-vida-normal.html
definitely going to be a quiet year 2020, but it's also definitely going to be the most beautiful the island will ever have been during summer
Los primeros pasos tras el confinamiento: así volveremos a la vida normal -
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-04...namiento-asi-volveremos-a-la-vida-normal.html
definitely going to be a quiet year 2020, but it's also definitely going to be the most beautiful the island will ever have been during summer
craig72
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? The waters Wil be free of yachts and cruise ship waste for years I hope. The sea at cala vadella will be clear all year.?
The Sun God
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Tide might have turned in Sp but in meantime Sánchez officially extended curfew for another 3 weeks yesterday. No great surprise but people getting very restless, esp as weather improves.
Crawleytown
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seems to be talk over there about starting to go back to normal after those three weeks, at least though.
SeoulSaint
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On one level a lot of what Elrow has written, I find myself agreeing with. This is due to being a cold hearted statistician and healthcare modeller professionally (although not in infectious disease). One of the issues with covid being so widespread in the UK is there will be outliers, and children with no underlying health issues dying are just that. However, we don’t live in a world of numbers and data, and hopefully most of us live in a world that we can show empathy with the tragic loss that so many people are dealing with.
There’s also another dimension Elrow, that you’ve missed, that’s the notion of people getting it ‘mildly’. My wife had what we think was the virus (she’s ok now), but it was vicious. In 20 years together, I’ve never seen her that ill. Fortunately it didn’t spread to her lungs or anything like that. Still it was far worse than flu. So, I don’t think the governments around the world are overreacting. No one should be unnecessarily exposed to it.
What we have is a nasty virus that yes, many might not get ill from, least of all me as I’ve had no symptoms, I’ve probably technically had it though. Many others will have the worst virus they’ve probably ever had (note, these people aren’t counted as even positive in UK stats as they’re not tested). Another cohort that can’t fight it off at home will need hospital care, now this cohort is really sick, and of which numerous numbers will lose their battle. The fact that new hospitals are needed around the world tells us how large this cohort is. It’s only this hospital cohort that’s counted as having it. How many people around the UK are really unwell with it laid low in bed? Probably tens of thousands.
Not wanting to pick on Elrow, but this can’t be looked at just through mortality figures. It’s far more complex a situation than arguing that only X deaths have occurred so we can all now go and have a barbecue. If you or a loved one Elrow catches it (hope of course they don’t) you’ll see what I mean.
There’s also another dimension Elrow, that you’ve missed, that’s the notion of people getting it ‘mildly’. My wife had what we think was the virus (she’s ok now), but it was vicious. In 20 years together, I’ve never seen her that ill. Fortunately it didn’t spread to her lungs or anything like that. Still it was far worse than flu. So, I don’t think the governments around the world are overreacting. No one should be unnecessarily exposed to it.
What we have is a nasty virus that yes, many might not get ill from, least of all me as I’ve had no symptoms, I’ve probably technically had it though. Many others will have the worst virus they’ve probably ever had (note, these people aren’t counted as even positive in UK stats as they’re not tested). Another cohort that can’t fight it off at home will need hospital care, now this cohort is really sick, and of which numerous numbers will lose their battle. The fact that new hospitals are needed around the world tells us how large this cohort is. It’s only this hospital cohort that’s counted as having it. How many people around the UK are really unwell with it laid low in bed? Probably tens of thousands.
Not wanting to pick on Elrow, but this can’t be looked at just through mortality figures. It’s far more complex a situation than arguing that only X deaths have occurred so we can all now go and have a barbecue. If you or a loved one Elrow catches it (hope of course they don’t) you’ll see what I mean.
Chief Medical Officer of Scotland who has been a feature of every press conference caught flouting lockdown rules and visiting holiday home with whole family whilst preaching to everyone to stay at home in build up to holiday weekends.
Do as I say, not as I do. Entitled c*** should be sacked immediately.
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Do as I say, not as I do. Entitled c*** should be sacked immediately.
Scotland's chief medical officer spotted flouting lockdown rules in visit to second home
Scotland's chief medical officer (CMO) has been photographed breaking her own lockdown measures while visiting her family's second home during the…
FlatErik
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Exactly. The press is only narrowing down on the virus itself and the daily body count. While I would love to see that body count continue after the virus too to see the normal deaths and the corona-aftermath deaths. But nobody will care by then anymore. The measures are taking a huge toll on those who were already vulnerable, like depressed people, children in a violent home situation, cancer patients with indefinitely delayed surgeries, and small business people who are now afraid to see their lifework disappear before their eyes.
There was a family muder-suicide in the Netherlands too about a week ago. We'll never know if the deed is the result of quarantine, but it certainly won't have helped.
Crawleytown
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I agree with elrow to a certain extent in that these measures have a time frame before they become more damaging than what they are trying to fix, I personally think 12 weeks is the longest amount of time that the economy and public compliance can sustain lock downs to the degree we have them now.
I also think there is limited evidence so far to suggest that social lockdowns actually work to the extent that we are being told they do. The countries which have implemented the most stringent measures aern’t necessarily the ones who are fairing the best with this disease
For the time being though we have no choice but to stick with lockdown and follow it as closely as possible. However rational you want to get about it, tolerating the alternatives in terms of possible death tolls is unjustifiable against other economic and social concerns for now.
I also think there is limited evidence so far to suggest that social lockdowns actually work to the extent that we are being told they do. The countries which have implemented the most stringent measures aern’t necessarily the ones who are fairing the best with this disease
For the time being though we have no choice but to stick with lockdown and follow it as closely as possible. However rational you want to get about it, tolerating the alternatives in terms of possible death tolls is unjustifiable against other economic and social concerns for now.
Looks like the address from Liz later will be the national morale booster before a more stringent lockdown is slammed down tomorrow, coinciding with Boris' return in front of camera. That's how it's looking to me anyway
Knowing the man's ego, I also make the prediction a few pages back about the VE day bank holiday looking a good bet for things being relaxed. Obviously that's going to hinge on the infection and death rate in the next 3 weeks, but I bet he's salivating at the prospect of being able to do that
Knowing the man's ego, I also make the prediction a few pages back about the VE day bank holiday looking a good bet for things being relaxed. Obviously that's going to hinge on the infection and death rate in the next 3 weeks, but I bet he's salivating at the prospect of being able to do that
stivi
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spain's latest numbers are again 'good'. good means 'only' 674 deaths in the last 24hrs and 'only' 6023 newly infected people. it's the best numbers in 10 days and gives further hope we're past the peak. now let's just hope monday numbers aren't going to be that bad again as they were after last weekend. but yeah, as mentioned a few times now, the outlook's definitely a bit better now.
balearic numbers still to follow, I'll update in the other thread once I have them.
balearic numbers still to follow, I'll update in the other thread once I have them.
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