Your views on strip clubs

Ha! Loving the absence of girls on this thread.

I haven't got a problem with them, but let's be honest, most strip clubs dont have "powerful, Goddess type females" swinging themselves round poles. They have 20 year old Latvian girls who might not have thought they'd end up as a stripper in a seedy bar in Soho when they were sold their ticket over here. Doing some half hearted naked dance whilst drunk, fat office workers chuck £1 coins at them.

Yeah if every stripper had a Hugh Heffner to look after them it would be different, but sadly that's not the case 9 times out of 10.
 
I really just don't see the joy in strip clubs.

Spending a bunch of money just to see naked women. Yay. Never seen those before :confused:

If I want to see boobs, there's free porn on the Internet and the beer at home is a lot cheaper.

I have friends who love to go (often making use of the "massages" on offer in the back rooms of most strip clubs around here). I just opt out.

Don't see the point in using prostitutes either. I've never wanted sex enough to pay for it... well, at least not pay directly :lol:
 
I agree with the Latvian bit - but we're all prostitutes where capitalism is concerned.

...don't agree with the old men part.

1) Sunset strip is full of young lads.
2) Irrespective of age - the exchange is mutual. The women are enticed by money in exactly the same way as the men are enticed by t!ts.

Go see - it's a great snapshot of society (I'll admit I'm in a unique position being a homo so I can stand back and view it without the confusing hormones).

It's also very honest - these people are providing a service*.

* see monogamy and 'honesty in relationships' thread. :lol:
 
I've been to strip clubs before Rob, and those are my thoughts on it. For every stripper who enjoys her work and feels "empowered" by it, there's another girl in a very different situation.

Maybe the clientele in Soho are lads out on the p1ss, but some of the ones round Hackney way are certainly more seedy. Plus they're all run by massive gangsters. Shady territory whichever way you look at it.
 
Beckiboo said:
I've been to strip clubs before Rob, and those are my thoughts on it. For every stripper who enjoys her work and feels "empowered" by it, there's another girl in a very different situation.

Maybe the clientele in Soho are lads out on the p1ss, but some of the ones round Hackney way are certainly more seedy. Plus they're all run by massive gangsters. Shady territory whichever way you look at it.
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Soho is seed central but I imagine Hackney is loads worse.

These places should really be run by women - agree it's vile (I'm definitely not disagreeing with you.)

...but I think this has more to do with the lack of government regulation from the boy's club.

I think that sex workers deserve the same dignity and respect that comes with any other profession. For some people, it's definitely a lifestyle choice.

I know of rent boys who would much rather sell sex than chase a career in the city.
 
Robder said:
I think that sex workers deserve the same dignity and respect that comes with any other profession. For some people, it's definitely a lifestyle choice.
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I agree, if people choose to work in that industry and have no qualms about it, feel empowered from it etc etc then good for them. It's not for me to judge how someone decides they want to make money.
But unfortunately its a teeny % of sex workers who do it by choice, the rest of them have no choice, either through lack of money / pimps / dependence on drugs etc.

I don't think we can gloss over the fact that most people in prostitution are not there because they chose to be.
 
Robder said:
It's also very honest - these people are providing a service*.
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It's honest, but all so artificial. I think that's what bugs me about it the most.

Robder said:
I know of rent boys who would much rather sell sex than chase a career in the city.
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I had a roommate once (one of 4 of us sharing a 5-room flat) who was a 'rent boy' by choice. Best part was getting phone calls for him:

(burly sounding man)
- Hello, is Joe there?
(me)
- No, can I take a message?
- Who's this?
- His roommate
- What are you into?
:lol:
 
Beckiboo said:
I don't think we can gloss over the fact that most people in prostitution are not there because they chose to be.
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How do we know this? Say someone doesn't exactly want to work in a strip club but twigs you can probably make more money that way than you can working for the min wage in Maccy D's, is that society's fault?
 
Johnny Vodka said:
How do we know this? Say someone doesn't exactly want to work in a strip club but twigs you can probably make more money that way than you can working for the min wage in Maccy D's, is that society's fault?
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How many happy, confident and financially secure prostitues do you know??
 
lots but that's just in gay world - which may be different but tbh I don't know.

It's generally quite an high earning (and tax free) profession if you're head strong enough to cope with it.

...some are drug addled losers, some are chasing the money, others are genuinely into the healing side of it.

:lol: @ Morbs.
 
Beckiboo said:
How many happy, confident and financially secure prostitues do you know??
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I don't know any prostitutes, full stop.

Surely a lot of lap dancers (supposedly many of whom are students) could get a job in Maccy D's? The fact that they decide to grab a higher wage by flaunting themselves is up to them.

I guess I'd say there should be enough support for people in poverty or with addiction issues that they're not forced into such activites. However, I do suspect some people do these things because it earns them a higher wage/allows shorter hours than working in Maccy D's.

Actually... there was one girl who used to work as a finance assistant at our place - really good looking, amazing long legs. She suddenly disappeared from her job - no notice/reason given, HR unable to contact her. So a year or so later one of my colleagues comes in flashing a calendar for a strip/dance club in Glasgow and it turns out she's one of the months. :eek: :lol: Maybe she realised she could make more money that way than working in an office? Surely her choice? Surely working in a sh!tty office/restaurant/etc job just to make ends meet is as much a form of prostitution as getting your togs off?
 
Robder said:
Why can't a woman be sexual and powerful? Is it not ok for women to enjoy sex? Why isn't the archetypal female as a sex Goddess honoured in our culture? These are the questions we should be asking.
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Amen !

:lol: @ Morbyd

Prostitution is legal and taxed in this part of Switzerland and all sex workers have to register with the council and the police. (Not sure about the rest of the country, as each canton has their own laws for so many things !) This offers some measure of protection and "validation" but hasn't entirely prevented an underworld of "illegals" trying to earn a living this way.
 
Beckiboo said:
How many happy, confident and financially secure prostitues do you know??
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I met some in Spain and Germany where it is legal. They stop working in the sex industry and now own other businesses. This is not to say that all the time there is a happy ending, people in other work go off the rails also. I think the person has to be stronger than the situation.
 
But why does talk of strip clubs always lead to talk of prostitution?? This is why I think alot of the girls would not like to be called 'sex workers'.
Ive been to most of those strip clubs in Hackney and their reputations are worse than the reality from what i could see. Never once has anything more than stripping been offered or discussed and by the looks of it doing so would get u kicked out by a hefty bouncer within seconds and rightly so.
If you read the articles i put up in the 1st post you will see that it was the dancers themselves protesting against the closure of the strip clubs. You cant assume they have all been duped into what they are doing
 
MiniMarc said:
But why does talk of strip clubs always lead to talk of prostitution?? This is why I think alot of the girls would not like to be called 'sex workers'.
Ive been to most of those strip clubs in Hackney and their reputations are worse than the reality from what i could see. Never once has anything more than stripping been offered or discussed and by the looks of it doing so would get u kicked out by a hefty bouncer within seconds and rightly so.
If you read the articles i put up in the 1st post you will see that it was the dancers themselves protesting against the closure of the strip clubs. You cant assume they have all been duped into what they are doing
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I'm not talking about prostitutes, I look at male /female who strip do SM shows as sex workers. If you look at my post above, I stated this. I have seen sex workers both male and female turn the money they made into a business in another industry. The thing is you have a short shelf life make your money get out and set yourself up for life. The ones that just spend and don't plan for the future are the sad stories. This is true of people in all industries.
 
MiniMarc said:
But why does talk of strip clubs always lead to talk of prostitution??
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...but only some of us are prepared to admit the fact.
 
A little off topic, but one time a friend of mine was training a seeing-eye (guide dog)dog.

He was supposed to take the dog to as many different places as possible so we went to the strippers. Don't know why a blind person would go to the strippers, but anyway, it was interesting to have a dog there, I guess! :confused: :)
 
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