UK social welfare system gone wrong?

[x-amount]

Whats your solution?

You almost sound as if you are promoting his lifestyle, like it's ok to keep popping out kids so you get more money, with NO consideration of how you are going to support them/what quality of life they are going to have.

I didn't say kick them out at all - if he's living here in the UK having a good old rant about the lack of money/size of his house/lack of fringe benefits etc, then lets see him try to go to another country and get more.

FACT - The UK gives out more benefit income per capita than any other country which is why it is subject to such widespread abuse.

How do you think the dialogue of that story went?

Do you realy think this guy wrote to the paper, wishing to identify his disgust with not being able to find a new, bigger house?

OR

Did the Sun approach him, pay him a 5 figure sum, to get him on tape saying what he said, just to get the goat of people like you?

 

[x-amount]

i don't think we've ever discussed my (/your) upbringing.

i didnt say i bought the express, just that i read this story in it and i'll read whatever i feel like reading, despite my orientation

No, I just think the crass exaggerated asssumptions are probably a bit far off the mark.

 

[stuie]

No, I just think the crass exaggerated asssumptions are probably a bit far off the mark.

which ones?

the assumption he doesn't work?

the assumption he has 14 kids?

please enlighten me!

 

[djchewie]

which ones?

the assumption he doesn't work?

the assumption he has 14 kids?

please enlighten me!

maybe it was a simple typo, and they meant 1.4 children.

 

[x-amount]

which ones?

the assumption he doesn't work?

the assumption he has 14 kids?

please enlighten me!

Since you asked...

20 people go out and slog it every day so that 4 people/familys can sit on their arses, shag their bitches and keep popping out kids all their life.

 

[x-amount]

Whats your solution?

You almost sound as if you are promoting his lifestyle, like it's ok to keep popping out kids so you get more money, with NO consideration of how you are going to support them/what quality of life they are going to have.

I'm not promoting his lifestyle, but your anger could be more effectively placed, no?

 

[stuie]

Since I asked...

What part of that do you disagree with?

I'm not promoting his lifestyle, but your anger could be more effectively placed, no?

What like writing to my local MP or something?

Sorry for my anger, i've just been taught (not by having a privileged upbringing) that to get anywhere in life you need to work hard and if you want something but can't afford it then you need to work harder so this kind of stuff really does boil my piss.

Anyway, in other news... the pope is coming to England. Thank god for that, everything is going to be ok

 

[x-amount]

Sorry for my anger, i've just been taught (not by having a privileged upbringing) that to get anywhere in life you need to work hard and if you want something but can't afford it then you need to work harder so this kind of stuff really does boil my piss.

So you were taught it, right?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

 

[stuie]

So you were taught it, right?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

yes, taught it by seeing others stuggle on through.

i see where your trying to go, but it doesn't work.

i don't expect anyone taught him to shag and produce 14 kids or fill out benefit applications but he's managed it all by himself anyway.

 

[Morbyd]

Wow... great little discussion going here

X-man is on the numbers about the Sun. Hate the rag, myself (though the Express is a good bit worse, IMO ). Would be better if your public weren't so hooked on this tabloid nonsense. No 1 selling daily, indeed.

That said, this article did elicit the expected outrage from John Q. Public. I don't think that outrage is unjustified, however. Sure, this guy is just one example of abuse of the welfare state - but he's a bright example.

How does one fix such a problem (without "fixing" the guy ) and still leave the safety net in place? Big debate about this in the US in the mid-1990s when a welfare reform bill passed to encourage states to limit how long people could sit on benefits and to provide them with assistance to get back into the workforce.

 

[stuie]

How does one fix such a problem (without "fixing" the guy ) and still leave the safety net in place? Big debate about this in the US in the mid-1990s when a welfare reform bill passed to encourage states to limit how long people could sit on benefits and to provide them with assistance to get back into the workforce.

SO Morbyd, could you tell us how this particular case would be dealt with in the US?

Any re the press, nothing we don't know already - you just have to read it with an open mind and make your own conclusions

 

[Beckiboo]

Kick all of the f.ckin spongers out, not just this guy and his mob. ALL OF THEM! Then spend the taxes saved on worthwhile things, like hospitals and schools.

 

[Morbyd]

SO Morbyd, could you tell us how this particular case would be dealt with in the US?

No idea how it'd be dealt with it... give him a guest slot on Jerry Springer?

It varies state by state, but according to the reforms that were being bandied about right before I moved aboad, I think they'd be on a sliding benefits scale designed to make them work (usually there's job training and assistance thrown in). I doubt he'd be able to get a bump in his housing voucher value if he kept having kids. Oh, and they'd get food stamps not cash for groceries and such. That's all just a guess based on limited information.

I only mentioned the US to point out that it's a tough debate - how to curb abuse of the system without substantially weakening the safety net.

 

[naddyz]

Yes there are spongers, just like there are thieves etc

but there are always going to be people that sponge, but as long as these are far outweighed by deserving people getting the grants then there isn't an awful lot you can do about it.

You either accept no welfare state (and I dare say most of us were brought up with help from the government which our parents greatly appreciated) or one with a few scroungers.

 

[djchewie]

Kick all of the f.ckin spongers out, not just this guy and his mob. ALL OF THEM! Then spend the taxes saved on worthwhile things, like paying off chewies credit cards.

why thanks becki, what a good idea!

 

[stuie]

You either accept no welfare state (and I dare say most of us were brought up with help from the government which our parents greatly appreciated) or one with a few scroungers.

I disagree. There has to be a middle ground.

Surely you could somehow stop a man with no income/assets fathering children before he has a total of 14 that are entirely state supported.

 

[djchewie]

I disagree. There has to be a middle ground.

Surely you could somehow stop a man with no income/assets fathering children before he has a total of 14 that are entirely state supported.

i say again

castrate the bastard

 

[sonofsmurf]

Is it me or is just as much money wasted by people spending all day in chatrooms. Costing their employers and the state money in lost revenue?

Or is everyone on here in a different time zone, and surfing in their own time?

My lunch is 1 -2 before anyone starts. He is a scroat though, where did he pick his "birds" up? The National Blind Childrens Society? He's an ugly turd.

 

[stuie]

Is it me or is just as much money wasted by people spending all day in chatrooms. Costing their employers and the state money in lost revenue?

hardly a comparable to sitting at home making babies all your life.

and as you asked, i have the window open and post while i'm making/taking phone calls, or sitting on hold!

 

[sonofsmurf]

Im going to have to side with him im afraid. I myself have 14 children and 3 wives living in a tent in my local boozers beer garden. Im on the computer at the doctors surgery while im picking my methadone up.