why, what's the reason for that?
Tinnitus And Hearing Loss
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why, what's the reason for that?
puppylover
Active Member
"Allegedly" according to the Doc's - and I am not saying this is gospel (after all it did come via my mum who is a right worrier... ) something to do with Dioxins and plastic bottles when they're frozen....
I stopped freezing water in bottles last year but its likely bollox and its just my mum putting the fear of Dog into people.....
Clearly it worked for me......
So on typing this I thought I know - check it out on Google - after all its likely more informative that a 72 year old and guess what I found??
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/Plasticbottles/
freeze and drink away - its bollox - cant wait to go over tonight and tell her.....
Padster
Active Member
I have mild tinitus and some hearing loss due to wearing cheap motorbike helmets over the last 20 years (even though my dad always used to lecture me: "It's not how much the helmet's worth but how much your head's worth that matters"). Years later he has chronic tinitus even though his bike helmets were always worth hundreds of pounds more than mine. I can't wear regular earplugs because I have unusually narrow and deep earholes, so the expensive moulded ones might just be the answer before things get too much worse. Oh and I'm pretty sure monging out next to the speaker stacks at numerous northern warehouse parties didn't help!
I was checked for this, they wedged my swede into a MRI machine and luckily didnt find anything which was a releif
A properly installed Funktion 1 should be fine...
Sadly this isn't often the case as the brand seems to have overtaken itself.
DJs and promoters need to attend sound engineering courses.
+1 Too many people just boost everything in the belief that it will sound better. I was always taught that you should never boost any frequencies only ever cut.
I have mild Tinnitus in both ears thankfully getting earplugs has it under control these days.
I went to an Eyes Noise and Throat doctor and was custom fitted for ear plugs. Once you have your size (color coded) you can buy them pretty cheaply. I was Xrayed and no cancer. INHO Tinnitus/hearing loss is a thing to be avoided and can be avoided with ear protection, it is too late for me and will live with it the rest of my life. This is my fault 20+ years working in high noise and djing/clubbing. With anything tinnitus/hearing loss affects people differently when you have a permanent buzz going at first it does your head in. Some time for me the buzz takes over and causes pain.
I watch movies with subtitles now
SeasideDreamer
Member
I've had tinnitus since I was 18, a few months before my first trip to Ibiza in fact. I came out of a local club and the ringing was pretty intense, it went on for several days. Being a natural hypochondriac I was scared stiff that it would last forever, which fortunately it didn't. I did rush to get a pair of custom made earplugs made before my first trip to Ibiza though.
My ears survived the trip but in the coming months and years it became clear that my ears were still taking damage on nights out even with the earplugs. I remember coming out of Cream at Amnesia during a later trip to the island and my ears were ringing as loud as ever
In the intervening years I've experimented with almost every kind of earplug known to man! The advice I'll give is:
- check the SNR rating on your earplugs. The higher the number the higher the protection. Cheap compressible earplugs such as the Moldex Spark Plug have far higher SNR ratings than expensive custom fit plugs.
- custom fit plugs drove me mad, it becomes a major part of your night worrying about losing them, putting them away etc. Losing a pair of custom fitted £160 earplugs is likely put a dampener on your night, maybe even ruin it if you don't have a back up!
- don't stand in front of speakers, even if you're far away from them it's best to stand to the side. It's amazing how much difference this makes.
- festivals are brilliant for tinnitus suffering clubbers, you can stand right at the back, out the way of speakers and still get the atmosphere. In fact at Creamfields this year I saw a few people sporting earmuff type ear defenders. A good sign that hearing damage is becoming more recognised as a problem.
Hope that helps some of you a bit. I have tinnitus permanently now, fortunately it's only really noticeable at night but as I can't prise myself away from clubs / Ibiza it's only ever going to get worse!
My ears survived the trip but in the coming months and years it became clear that my ears were still taking damage on nights out even with the earplugs. I remember coming out of Cream at Amnesia during a later trip to the island and my ears were ringing as loud as ever
In the intervening years I've experimented with almost every kind of earplug known to man! The advice I'll give is:
- check the SNR rating on your earplugs. The higher the number the higher the protection. Cheap compressible earplugs such as the Moldex Spark Plug have far higher SNR ratings than expensive custom fit plugs.
- custom fit plugs drove me mad, it becomes a major part of your night worrying about losing them, putting them away etc. Losing a pair of custom fitted £160 earplugs is likely put a dampener on your night, maybe even ruin it if you don't have a back up!
- don't stand in front of speakers, even if you're far away from them it's best to stand to the side. It's amazing how much difference this makes.
- festivals are brilliant for tinnitus suffering clubbers, you can stand right at the back, out the way of speakers and still get the atmosphere. In fact at Creamfields this year I saw a few people sporting earmuff type ear defenders. A good sign that hearing damage is becoming more recognised as a problem.
Hope that helps some of you a bit. I have tinnitus permanently now, fortunately it's only really noticeable at night but as I can't prise myself away from clubs / Ibiza it's only ever going to get worse!
Great advice - thanks!
Hear is a couple of sites for ear plugs and one on what works
http://www.earplugsonline.com/
http://www.slate.com/id/2118800/
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/...E3E02LES9MG812H2_nid=L0SCPCJLMGbeQQFFG1G8R7gl
These have cheap ear plugs that work, they won't break the bank and they afford protection.
http://www.earplugsonline.com/
http://www.slate.com/id/2118800/
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/...E3E02LES9MG812H2_nid=L0SCPCJLMGbeQQFFG1G8R7gl
These have cheap ear plugs that work, they won't break the bank and they afford protection.
Dirk
Well-Known Member
I am going for my fitting for these on Monday, I will write a review once I have had them for a while.
Thanks to everyone for adding their posts, shocked how many people have been affected already. If this post makes a difference to only a couple of people, it has been worthwhile.
ACS ER-25â„¢ Protectors
Hearing protectors
£143.22
Protecting your hearing, as well as the need for communication, is essential in any loud environment. By incorporating a unique flat attenuating filter the ER-25 custom moulded plug is tuned to provide a predefined reduction in ambient noise by 25dB(A), whilst maintaining the clarity. Developed for musicians who need to protect their hearing, but not destroy the fidelity of their music, this product is being successfully used by many of the top bands. The ER25 is the chosen hearing protector for many stage performers and club DJs working in close proximity to enormously amplified music.
Please note: as this is a custom fit product, impressions need to be taken of your ears - when you call to order this product a free impression appointment will be made for you at your local Boots hearingcare centre.
http://www.bootshearingcare.com/accessories/noise-protection/er-25-custom-protectors
Thanks to everyone for adding their posts, shocked how many people have been affected already. If this post makes a difference to only a couple of people, it has been worthwhile.
ACS ER-25â„¢ Protectors
Hearing protectors
£143.22
Protecting your hearing, as well as the need for communication, is essential in any loud environment. By incorporating a unique flat attenuating filter the ER-25 custom moulded plug is tuned to provide a predefined reduction in ambient noise by 25dB(A), whilst maintaining the clarity. Developed for musicians who need to protect their hearing, but not destroy the fidelity of their music, this product is being successfully used by many of the top bands. The ER25 is the chosen hearing protector for many stage performers and club DJs working in close proximity to enormously amplified music.
Please note: as this is a custom fit product, impressions need to be taken of your ears - when you call to order this product a free impression appointment will be made for you at your local Boots hearingcare centre.
http://www.bootshearingcare.com/accessories/noise-protection/er-25-custom-protectors
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Dirk
Well-Known Member
Afrojack (external link, opens new browser window)
‘If you want to have a fun life, wear ear plugs because if you want to go deaf by going to clubs, you can never go to clubs, you can never have fun, you can never listen to girls talking into your ears.'
Jerome Isma-ae (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Stay away from the speakers and buy earplugs. It's good to wear earplugs. Don't listen to music too loud and for too long. Your ears will break. Go to the mountains walking, go running to the park without an iPod.'
Armin Van Buuren (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Damaging your hearing is permanent, give your ears a rest. Five minutes in front of a really loud speaker is enough time to damage your hearing permanently. Give them a rest, walk away. If you have tinnitus, it can drive you nuts. If everywhere you go you have a buzzing noise, it's the most annoying thing.'
Boy George (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Well I think it would just be awful to lose your hearing. I think it would be the most difficult thing to deal with. I think if you've never had hearing it is a different thing, but if you've had hearing and you lose it that must be very difficult to deal with. Same as anything, losing a limb, losing your sight.'
Laidback Luke (external link, opens new browser window)
‘I've had tinnitus for years. I've been DJing with jet engine volume so at one point I had a permanent beep and for me it was a wake-up call to go and actually protect my ears. It was six years ago now so I'm very conscious of keeping the volume low.'
Dash Berlin (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Try earplugs once and see what happens. When you come home and you can hear the birds chirping and go to bed peacefully rather than staying awake for hours because you have a loud beeping in your ears, then you'll definitely get accustomed to it! And you will still experience the music very, very well.'
James McBrien, Sketches (external link, opens new browser window)
"I have had tinnitus since the age of 15 and wish I had worn earplugs before it was too late. I cannot hear certain frequencies in my left ear and have had a constant ringing for nine years now. I have managed to learn how to cope, but if I started using my earplugs earlier it could have been avoided. Don't Lose the Music is an excellent way to encourage people to think more about their ears and hopefully not make the mistakes I made."
Maxi Jazz, Faithless (external link, opens new browser window)
"The sound of the waves on the shore. Children laughing. The breeze rustling through the trees. Simple pleasures brought to you by your hearing – look after your ears."
Judge Jules (external link, opens new browser window)
"I expose myself to a lot of loud noises and enjoy myself all the time, the problem with loud noise is that it can cause irreversible ear damage, there's absolutely no way back when it's happened. It is, however, entirely preventable. Music is such a fundamental part of everyone's lives that if you lose the ability to enjoy it, it's everything."
Above&Beyond (external link, opens new browser window)
“Whenever you see us in a club, whether DJing or not, we'll always have earplugs in. We have long been aware of the real dangers of continued exposure to loud music, both in clubs and in the studio. Once your hearing goes, you won't get it back, which is a risk we aren't willing to take.â€
Bloc Party (external link, opens new browser window)
Bloc Party's Kele says: "There's such potential to music; it can cross all boundaries and has this incredible power to really matter to people. If it's important to you, and you want to continue to be touched by others', or even your own, music for years to come, you must safeguard that future enjoyment."
Danny McNamara - Embrace (external link, opens new browser window)
"The first six months I had tinnitus were awful. Every night I'd go to bed with the radio on just to drown out the constant and awful high pitched 'test card tone' in my head. I went onto the internet to find a solution only to discover there is no real cure, among all the coping strategies and group workshops. I went to a specialist who told me the years of loud music had done irreparable damage to my ears, all I could do was see that it didn't get worse.
Five years on and I've learned to live with it, pretty much. I have days when it gets me down but not many. All I want to say is if you've just disovered you've got tinnitus don't despair. Although it never goes away it does stop bringing you down after a while. If you haven't got tinnitus for God's sake take care of your ears before it's too late."
DJ Miss Behavin (external link, opens new browser window)
"Music is my life. I cannot imagine life without music."
Eddie Halliwell (external link, opens new browser window)
“DJing in clubs leaves me at the mercy of very loud sound systems, which in time would inevitably seriously damage my hearing. I would never even enter a club, let alone DJ without my custom-fit ACS ER15 earplugs. They are essential - which is why I give my full support to the RNID's Don't Lose the Music campaign.â€
Eddy Temple Morris (external link, opens new browser window)
"What Don't Lose the Music are doing is REALLY important, please listen to them and be careful. My colleague Erol Alkan lost 40% of the hearing in one ear, and I have tinnitus now, so I will never hear silence again."
Jamelia (external link, opens new browser window)
“Music is my life; it's my career and my passion. The idea that I would lose it is inconceivable, so I make sure I protect my ears in any way I can. I always wear earplugs when I listen to loud music so I can carry on listening to my favourite tunes for a long time to come.â€
KT Tunstall (external link, opens new browser window)
"Festivals are a huge highlight of my year and I love a good rock out or a boogie in the dance tent, but I've become aware of the danger of damaging your hearing through standing too close to the speakers...
Make sure you have a pair of earplugs. Love your ears!"
Rob Roar (external link, opens new browser window)
I've always been ok up until 2 years ago when I finished playing in a club, and for 3-4 days after I had ringing in my ears. You tend not to notice it until it is really quiet, like when you go to bed or turn off you TV. Then you hear tinnitus, like whistling. It is almost like an electrical sound you get from a TV. I've had it ever since. It is really important that you practise safe decks.
Allister Whitehead (external link, opens new browser window)
People do get tinnitus and take it from me I know a lot of people who've got it. It is the last thing you need in your life and you never get rid of it. It's really important that you look after your hearing. The question is... do you want to be able hear in 5 years time?
‘If you want to have a fun life, wear ear plugs because if you want to go deaf by going to clubs, you can never go to clubs, you can never have fun, you can never listen to girls talking into your ears.'
Jerome Isma-ae (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Stay away from the speakers and buy earplugs. It's good to wear earplugs. Don't listen to music too loud and for too long. Your ears will break. Go to the mountains walking, go running to the park without an iPod.'
Armin Van Buuren (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Damaging your hearing is permanent, give your ears a rest. Five minutes in front of a really loud speaker is enough time to damage your hearing permanently. Give them a rest, walk away. If you have tinnitus, it can drive you nuts. If everywhere you go you have a buzzing noise, it's the most annoying thing.'
Boy George (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Well I think it would just be awful to lose your hearing. I think it would be the most difficult thing to deal with. I think if you've never had hearing it is a different thing, but if you've had hearing and you lose it that must be very difficult to deal with. Same as anything, losing a limb, losing your sight.'
Laidback Luke (external link, opens new browser window)
‘I've had tinnitus for years. I've been DJing with jet engine volume so at one point I had a permanent beep and for me it was a wake-up call to go and actually protect my ears. It was six years ago now so I'm very conscious of keeping the volume low.'
Dash Berlin (external link, opens new browser window)
‘Try earplugs once and see what happens. When you come home and you can hear the birds chirping and go to bed peacefully rather than staying awake for hours because you have a loud beeping in your ears, then you'll definitely get accustomed to it! And you will still experience the music very, very well.'
James McBrien, Sketches (external link, opens new browser window)
"I have had tinnitus since the age of 15 and wish I had worn earplugs before it was too late. I cannot hear certain frequencies in my left ear and have had a constant ringing for nine years now. I have managed to learn how to cope, but if I started using my earplugs earlier it could have been avoided. Don't Lose the Music is an excellent way to encourage people to think more about their ears and hopefully not make the mistakes I made."
Maxi Jazz, Faithless (external link, opens new browser window)
"The sound of the waves on the shore. Children laughing. The breeze rustling through the trees. Simple pleasures brought to you by your hearing – look after your ears."
Judge Jules (external link, opens new browser window)
"I expose myself to a lot of loud noises and enjoy myself all the time, the problem with loud noise is that it can cause irreversible ear damage, there's absolutely no way back when it's happened. It is, however, entirely preventable. Music is such a fundamental part of everyone's lives that if you lose the ability to enjoy it, it's everything."
Above&Beyond (external link, opens new browser window)
“Whenever you see us in a club, whether DJing or not, we'll always have earplugs in. We have long been aware of the real dangers of continued exposure to loud music, both in clubs and in the studio. Once your hearing goes, you won't get it back, which is a risk we aren't willing to take.â€
Bloc Party (external link, opens new browser window)
Bloc Party's Kele says: "There's such potential to music; it can cross all boundaries and has this incredible power to really matter to people. If it's important to you, and you want to continue to be touched by others', or even your own, music for years to come, you must safeguard that future enjoyment."
Danny McNamara - Embrace (external link, opens new browser window)
"The first six months I had tinnitus were awful. Every night I'd go to bed with the radio on just to drown out the constant and awful high pitched 'test card tone' in my head. I went onto the internet to find a solution only to discover there is no real cure, among all the coping strategies and group workshops. I went to a specialist who told me the years of loud music had done irreparable damage to my ears, all I could do was see that it didn't get worse.
Five years on and I've learned to live with it, pretty much. I have days when it gets me down but not many. All I want to say is if you've just disovered you've got tinnitus don't despair. Although it never goes away it does stop bringing you down after a while. If you haven't got tinnitus for God's sake take care of your ears before it's too late."
DJ Miss Behavin (external link, opens new browser window)
"Music is my life. I cannot imagine life without music."
Eddie Halliwell (external link, opens new browser window)
“DJing in clubs leaves me at the mercy of very loud sound systems, which in time would inevitably seriously damage my hearing. I would never even enter a club, let alone DJ without my custom-fit ACS ER15 earplugs. They are essential - which is why I give my full support to the RNID's Don't Lose the Music campaign.â€
Eddy Temple Morris (external link, opens new browser window)
"What Don't Lose the Music are doing is REALLY important, please listen to them and be careful. My colleague Erol Alkan lost 40% of the hearing in one ear, and I have tinnitus now, so I will never hear silence again."
Jamelia (external link, opens new browser window)
“Music is my life; it's my career and my passion. The idea that I would lose it is inconceivable, so I make sure I protect my ears in any way I can. I always wear earplugs when I listen to loud music so I can carry on listening to my favourite tunes for a long time to come.â€
KT Tunstall (external link, opens new browser window)
"Festivals are a huge highlight of my year and I love a good rock out or a boogie in the dance tent, but I've become aware of the danger of damaging your hearing through standing too close to the speakers...
Make sure you have a pair of earplugs. Love your ears!"
Rob Roar (external link, opens new browser window)
I've always been ok up until 2 years ago when I finished playing in a club, and for 3-4 days after I had ringing in my ears. You tend not to notice it until it is really quiet, like when you go to bed or turn off you TV. Then you hear tinnitus, like whistling. It is almost like an electrical sound you get from a TV. I've had it ever since. It is really important that you practise safe decks.
Allister Whitehead (external link, opens new browser window)
People do get tinnitus and take it from me I know a lot of people who've got it. It is the last thing you need in your life and you never get rid of it. It's really important that you look after your hearing. The question is... do you want to be able hear in 5 years time?
I was Xrayed and no cancer. INHO Tinnitus/hearing loss is a thing to be avoided and can be avoided with ear protection, it is too late for me and will live with it the rest of my life. This is my fault 20+ years working in high noise and djing/clubbing. With anything tinnitus/hearing loss affects people differently when you have a permanent buzz going at first it does your head in. Some time for me the buzz takes over and causes pain.
Just to clear things up, the lesion you could have had is not a cancer, it's a benign neoplasm called a vestibular schwannoma. Unlike cancer, it does not metastasize but causes symptoms due to local growth (compression of adjacent structures/nerves, spread into the cochlea, etc). It is not that uncommon, especially for someone complaining of tinnitus. However, if you have a alternate reason to have tinnitus (loud music history) then that is the more likely culprit, especially if its not progressive. And an X-ray isn't going to pick up $hit
You need an MRI since its a soft tissue lesion (which I assumed you must meant to say). Just some corrected info 
Let's not forget also that it's not just listening to loud music via Arena type loudspeakers but i would imagine also listening to similar loud music with headphones could also damage one's hearing. Well it has mine which isn't a bad thing in a way because atleast i can't hear the Missus when she throw's a wobbly and starts nagging me
kimajy
Well-Known Member
Let's not forget also that it's not just listening to loud music via Arena type loudspeakers but i would imagine also listening to similar loud music with headphones could also damage one's hearing. Well it has mine which isn't a bad thing in a way because atleast i can't hear the Missus when she throw's a wobbly and starts nagging me
- I've developed a intermittent hearing dysfunctionality which seems to come on in waves only when women in my life begin to 'go on' ... it's strange, but it's only these circumstances which seem to bring it on ...Just to clear things up, the lesion you could have had is not a cancer, it's a benign neoplasm called a vestibular schwannoma. Unlike cancer, it does not metastasize but causes symptoms due to local growth (compression of adjacent structures/nerves, spread into the cochlea, etc). It is not that uncommon, especially for someone complaining of tinnitus. However, if you have a alternate reason to have tinnitus (loud music history) then that is the more likely culprit, especially if its not progressive. And an X-ray isn't going to pick up $hit
I have had the full run of tests. I have gone to numerous ENT doctors. The hearing loss and tinnitus is permanent and likely to get worse later on. In my case the upper frequencies is what I lost, but my hearing is stable for now. I have annual hearing checks to keep track of my hearing.
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Ugh - tinnitus has got massively worse over the past few months. :x
No idea what caused this.
Ear, nose and throat specialist here I come...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Considering some of those Elacin ER25s ...any opinions on these?
No idea what caused this.
Ear, nose and throat specialist here I come...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Considering some of those Elacin ER25s ...any opinions on these?
Ugh - tinnitus has got massively worse over the past few months. :x
No idea what caused this.
Ear, nose and throat specialist here I come...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Considering some of those Elacin ER25s ...any opinions on these?
There are cheaper ways to go, to get the same amount of noise reduction. There are medication you can take for tinnitus http://www.drugs.com/condition/tinnitus.html here is a web site with reviews. Ear plugs work for me, when it gets really bad I get away from all noise.
