Tinnitus And Hearing Loss

Dirk

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I stupidly decided while drunk a couple of weeks ago to recreate the Amnesia sound system in my music room, it was stupidly loud for most of the night.

For the last two weeks, up until last weekend, my ears have been sore and I have had a constant ring. I went to the Doctors on Monday and no permanent damage noticed, but she basically explained that every time you get ringing in your ears it is the hairs inside dying and it will result in hearing loss of some sort.

I also read up about tinnitus and I was really concerned that I was stuck with this for life. Fingers crossed, things have got better and I think I have been lucky this time. I would just like to remind everyone of the risks of loud music and what ringing in the ears mean. Imagine one day it just doesnt go away?

I did a bit of research and a number of DJs have tinnitus; Roger Sanchez, Dubfire, Moby, Smokin Jo, Tom Stephan, Jody 'Way out West' and Jon Carter:

“I used to have these huge speakers which came from the Abbey Road orchestral room, they were really over the top and I used to play them at full volume up to forty-eight hours at times,” said Jon. “I noticed one day that the tinnitus didn't stop, but eventually one day it skyrocketed to full volume and it freaked me out big time. You just don't know what's going on. It's meant to come down; even the doctors didn't have an answer to why it became so much louder. I had to turn a lot of work down in the end. It was really distressing because nobody seems to know anything about it, no one knows how much louder it's going to get or what it's going to be like when you're sixty. Doctors just say it's not going to kill you so just live with it.” [Source: www.inthemix.com.au]

I have an appointment to get a pair of custom moulded Elacin ER 25 earplugs on Monday that I will now wear when ever I go out. You dont lose any frequency, but they just lower the sound volume. Has anyone used these?

Interested to hear anyone else thoughts. Hopefully by sharing my experience, it will make a positive difference to some people.
 
Im sure you viewed the movie Its All Gone Pete Tong about DJ Frankie Wilde who went deaf due to continuous hearing loss from speakers. It was shot in Ibiza.
 
Jody Interview - Experience of Tinnitus
"When the tinnitus was at its worst, it seemed so loud that nothing would mask it. Combined with an extreme lack of sleep, it was as if I could hear an electrical storm in my brain constantly, and it was even making my gums vibrate. "It really was testing times, the worst thing I had ever experienced, and yeah I did feel pretty suicidal."

Starting his career as a teen hip hop prodigy in the mid 80s, Jody Wisternoff became a star Dj on the underground West Country rave/ techno scene, teaming up with Nick Warren in the 90s to form soon-to-be massive Way Out West. Touring the world routinely as one of the world's most popular DJs, he enjoyed what seemed to be a charmed life until he developed tinnitus which almost ended it all.

"My life as I knew it was over," Jody recalls. "I couldn't hear properly anymore, had cancelled all my gigs and couldn't do any work in the studio. Sleep was impossible; I was maybe getting two hours a night maximum. All this just made the tinnitus loads, loads worse, and I was properly tripping out by this stage. I lived in this hell for about four months before I started to accept my condition and find a way to get on with life."

His experiences echoed those on fellow British house star Jon Carter, who last month revealed how the hearing condition wrecked both his marriage and almost his career.

"I know I'm getting a bit personal, but it got me into a really deep depression, Jon told Skrufff, "The only help I received was from other sufferers, and you know, when they say you'll get used to it, you never believe them. But eventually you will get used to it. Jody from Way Out West called me one day because he knew I had it too and talked to me as he was also in a state," he recalled.

"All I could say to him was 'one day you will get used to it'. There's nothing more you can do. And, one day after eighteen months, eventually I did too. Now I don't even need to sleep with the music on at night anymore."

Two years down the line Jon's predictions have happily come true for Jody, who, chatting to Skrufff this week, confirms 'it's all good, mate.'

"I'd say the tinnitus doesn't affect my quality of life in any way now. I'm not gonna' lie to you, I can still hear it in a quiet room (but then so can most people if they really try) however it doesn't cause any negative reaction and therefore isn't a problem."

"Though, I'm glad people are paying attention to it now, it's a big issue."

Skrufff (Jonty Skrufff): How did you actually develop tinnitus in the first place?

Jody Wisternoff: "It was after a gig in Slovenia during the summer of '06. I DJed at an outdoor party and I distinctly remember removing a piece of gaffer tape that was stopping the master level going any higher. I took it off and boosted the level to the max because I was playing really quiet, un-mastered track that needed some extra power. After that I just left it up and forgot about it, such was my drunken state. The monitors must have been blasting extra loud, not to mention the PA. I went straight to an afterhours club and played another set, where I stayed until the early morning. When I left, I remember thinking my ears were ringing more than usual, but didn't really care because this was normal after a gig and the ringing always stopped the next day."

When I woke the next afternoon I could still hear the ringing, but still assumed it would soon pass, however, the next day it was still there. And the next day . . . By this stage I was starting to get a little anxious and I was beginning to pay a lot of attention to the sound in my head. It was as if my brain was really tuning into it, my automatic nervous system had identified It as a threat and as a result the perceived volume was just getting louder and louder. Over the next month It just got worse and worse. I was really analysing it, which is the worst thing you can do, but I couldn't help myself. My auditory system was in a right mess, and It changed the way I was hearing frequencies to the point that I couldn't even listen to music, let alone do any studio work."

Skrufff: How did it sound initially?

Jody Wisternoff: "Everything just sounded a bit wrong, certain tones stood out as louder than others, not to mention the overwhelming super hi-pitched screaming that I couldn't hide from. I saw a hearing specialist and discovered that Id lost 40db at 4K, which really freaked me out and I basically fell into a deep depression."

Skrufff: The Tinnitus Association have some VERY scary audio samples of tinnitus on their site: do any of those sounds match yours?

Jody Wisternoff: "The high pitched tone, 4th from the end is pretty close to what I hear. It's basically the sound of a high-pitched whistle, similar to a boiling kettle, but mixed with an ultra high frequency. Sometimes this changes to a mid/low humming sound which I actually find quite pleasant."

Skrufff: how did you eventually start to cope with it?

Jody Wisternoff: "I got some Elacin ER25 earplugs (something I should have done years ago , tsk tsk) and decided to start going out to clubs again, socially at first. The way I was hearing was starting to normalise, so I was doing some studio work and really making an effort to get my life back. The ringing was still a major issue, some days it was extremely loud, others it was a bit quieter, but at least I could hear music properly again. I made sure I had constant background noise at all times, such as fans, dehumidifiers, radios etc and this made it all a bit easier to deal with. Slowly, I got back into DJing, but I always had a fear that the ringing would get worse because even with earplugs I still wasn't totally protected.

The major turnaround happened after a conversation I had with Andrew from Trafik (Global Underground). He had gone through the same thing as me, and recommended that I try TRT which stands for Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. I found it really hard to believe that he had learned to habituate his tinnitus, which means to ignore it at a subconcious level, to the extent that it ceases to be a problem, but I made an appointment and gave TRT a try. From my first session I really felt that things started to improve and I saw a light at the end of the tunnel. They explained to me how the hearing system works, and why we hear tinnitus, which contradicted what the doctors had told me regarding permanent damage to the inner ear hair cells. I won't go into exact details now because it will take ages to explain, but check this website: www.tinnitus.org and it will all become clear."

I highly recommend anyone who is suffering from tinnitus to examine the readers email section of this website, where Doctor Jonathan Hazell explains the Jastreboff model and why tinnitus becomes persistent, and hence how it can be overcome. As soon as you realise that its not irreversible damage that is causing the sound, but actually the filters in your auditory system tuning into a very weak signal that is in fact always present but is subconsciously ignored by most people, then it really makes it easier to deal with. Yeah, there may be some damage to the ear, but this is just the trigger for the tinnitus to be heard because the filters are so dynamic (whenever you leave a club etc ) and is not the reason it becomes non-stop."

Skrufff: What impact does tinnitus have on you today?

Jody Wisternoff: "I'm still undergoing TRT (it takes about 18 months), I wear white noise generators on my ears for a few hours a day which speed up the habituation process ( this is only required short-term ), and I always use earplugs when I DJ."

Skrufff: What would you say to DJs/ clubbers who don't think tinnitus will happen to them? Or think they'll be able to cope?

Jody Wisternoff: "Everyone deals with things differently. I'm sure some people wont be bothered by it at all (Nick claims to have had it for years but doesn't give a ****), whereas for others it can turn their lives upside down. I do thoroughly recommend Djs and clubbers to wear earplugs, not only for protection but also because music sounds better ( the ear compresses when exposed to loud volume- hence the sound quality is diminished . With proper musicians' earplugs this doesn't happen, it may feel strange at first but it doesn't take long to get used to the experience. If your brain does decide to pick up on tinnitus and it becomes a major issue, I can fully recommend TRT (contact details can be found on that website) . I would also be happy to talk to anyone if they are suffering and need some help, as I know how scary it can be."
www.myspace.com/jodywayoutwest ...com/4szhx6 (Tinnitus soundclips: click here to hear just why tinnitus is such a distressing condition)
 
I've got it - normally wear ear plugs when out now and it's much better these days.

Horrendous when I first discovered it.

Mine was due to some of the raves I went to in the early 90s - no regulation of sound rigs and all the flyers were emblazoned with 100K TURBO WATT SOUND SYSTEM!!! (which is utterly mindless because you have to double sound for your ears to even notice at that volume).

As a side - am also from the West Country and used to LOVE Jody and his 'Intelligent Breakbeat Techno' back in the day. :twisted:

Possibly the very same speakers that did mine in. :lol:
 
I've got it - normally wear ear plugs when out now and it's much better these days.

Horrendous when I first discovered it.

Mine was due to some of the raves I went to in the early 90s - no regulation of sound rigs and all the flyers were emblazoned with 100K TURBO WATT SOUND SYSTEM!!! (which is utterly mindless because you have to double sound for your ears to even notice at that volume).

As a side - am also from the West Country and used to LOVE Jody and his 'Intelligent Breakbeat Techno' back in the day. :twisted:

Possibly the very same speakers that did mine in. :lol:

Sorry to hear that mate, do you have it / notice it all the time?

Think my ears have been well battered over the years (those pesky 100K TURBO WATT SOUND SYSTEMS!) and think this may have been a warning shot.
 
Used to but these days thankfully not.

I get occasional interference too which sounds like catarrh if that makes sense? Bit like a car starting. :confused:

It gets so much better over time if you look after it. ;)

I notice it most when I enter somewhere eerily quiet like a cathedral or when I turn music off and plunge myself into silence.

How much were those ear plugs?
 
£160, but you can get them through Boots for £140. A lot cheaper than a hearing aid!
 
had a hearing test on the nhs and had hearing aids fitted.

forgotten what a snare drum actually sounds like.
 
I have a hearing loss and tinnitus, I wear ear plugs now whenever I'm around loud noise not just speakers. My hearing loss is due to 30+ years of clubbing. I have a ringing all the time but it is in the back ground and I have gotten used to it. Young DJ's/ravers beware it can happen to you.
 
Had a 1st moderate dose of it a few years ago - lasted for about 3 months. I stopped clubbing for a while and it abated. Have it at an almost imperceptable level now if I really listen out for it - but have trained myself not to notice that.

I did, however, get a nasty whiplash trying to do a fancy wakeboard jump last year (get some of them wrong and it can feel a bit like being in a car crash at my age !). Tinnitus ensued that was so loud I couldn't hear myself think for around a month. Couldn't turn my neck more than a fraction of normal rotation either.

Nothing I tried would stop or abate the noise, and I'd pretty much resigned myself to having it for life. It was hard to sleep or do anything. If the tinnitus you guys are talking about is anything like this I really do sympathize :eek:.

One weekend last year I went for some basics kitesurfing lessons and spent 2 hours staring up at a foil kite on the beach doing figure of 8s. When I got home the pain (which had been awful and virtually constant for weeks) had gone and the tinnitus had disappeared too. Literally could not believe it at the time. It just seems such a random poorly understood thing... although excessive noise for too long is obviously a risk factor for onset.
 
Ive had it since Ibiza in july. Mine wasnt brought on by loud music (i think) but like Kimajy I was practicing watersports (leave it..;)) and I suffered a perforated eardrum, which Im told can take months to heal , or even need surgery. Im due to have it looked at soon to see how it is, and Im hoping when its healed the tinnitus will stop. I dont think its as bad as most peoples highlighted in this thread , Im not really suffering any lack of sleep, and if im busy i dont notice it. Even so it can be quite frightening to think you can be stuck with it for the rest of your life.
 
I have it in my left (DJing) ear and its constant, you learn to live with it but can batter your head if you really think about it and focus on the sound (especially when trying to sleep). Was gutted when I was told its beyond repair.

Just a small price to pay for my favourite passion and experiencing the last 20 years of amazing music :eek:
 
not wanting to put a downer on it, but a close friend had tinitus a couple of years ago, thought it was brought on due to noise etc and finally went to doctors for check up. the doctors found a tumour behind his ear which was then a case of get it removed and lose hearing. thankfully he had it removed and got the all clear but sadly is now deaf in that ear. GET IT CHECKED OUT. as blokes I think we leave things too long before visiting the doctors and in some cases it may be too late.
 
Yes - and get your prostrate regularly checked too (esp if over 40).

Don't drink water from plastic bottles either. You may well get cancer. :eek:

(sorry)
 
I have a dodgy ear - but I have to say since my clubbing days are becoming few and far between its not as bad.... I used to lie in bed after clubbing nights and just listen to a high pitched whine all night - its horrible :evil:

I just make sure I dont stand anywhere nr the Funktion 1 soundsystem anymore :spank:
 
Yes - and get your prostrate regularly checked too (esp if over 40).

Don't drink water from plastic bottles either. You may well get cancer. :eek:

(sorry)

I thought that was a joke until the Dr's told my Dad the same thing during his recovery from cancer. - When they were living in Cyprus he used to leave bottles of water in the freezer overnight and then drink them the next day as they were defrosting - BAD BAD IDEA!!
 
I have a dodgy ear - but I have to say since my clubbing days are becoming few and far between its not as bad.... I used to lie in bed after clubbing nights and just listen to a high pitched whine all night - its horrible :evil:

I just make sure I dont stand anywhere nr the Funktion 1 soundsystem anymore :spank:

A properly installed Funktion 1 should be fine...

Sadly this isn't often the case as the brand seems to have overtaken itself. :rolleyes:

DJs and promoters need to attend sound engineering courses.
 
A properly installed Funktion 1 should be fine...

Sadly this isn't often the case as the brand seems to have overtaken itself. :rolleyes:

DJs and promoters need to attend sound engineering courses.

last time I was at a club the amount of people sticking their heads into the speakers was unbelievable...:eek:
 
last time I was at a club the amount of people sticking their heads into the speakers was unbelievable...:eek:

Take MoS for example - when they hire a US jock, they always turn up the day before to tune the system so that when they play, the sound is perfectly balanced. You can have a conversation, the music is a pleasure to listen to and there's no distortion whatsoever.

The birthday was a good example of this (Frankie Knuckles) - however the bar area (103?) was far too loud which was harsh on the ears - such a shame.

Also - East Village...the resident finished - managing to make everyone's ears bleed in the process :rolleyes:, and when Quentin Harris came on, he turned the levels down and everything was perfect. 8)
 
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