my opinion of what's happening

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mikkak

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Hi, everybody, I would like to shear with you my opinion about what's happening in Ibiza:

You see there is a licence for each type of activity. There is licence for bars, for cafe-concierto, for discos...The ones for discos need more conditions , lots of security, noises...and is much more expensive. Every type of licence is diferent, depends of the activitie. What happens is that some owners normally start a bar with no intention of playing loud music, or they simply ask a licence that is not exactly for the activity they want to do. Why? because you do not have to pay so much, you do not have to have this and that.
Now, at this point we can start to imagine what really could be happening, police normally do not inspect bars unless a neighbour complains, or sometimes they even know that probably they do not have the right licence, but there is no harm so why molest people.
Things change when somebody report it to the police with a written denuncia, the police has the legal obligation to inspect the bars and act in consecuence. Who reported this bars to the police?.
If the problem is this one , this bars may have to put in order there papers, tecnic condition. Different is the problem of Sa Trinxa a part of licences, they probably have to aply them some ecological law.

It's my opinion. The facts as they been pointed in this forum indicates the lack of licence or insuficient licence.
Crucemos los dedos
 
@firemansmate ..He wrote about the problems of Bora-Bora, DC10 and Sa Trincha. Since last week Bora-Bora isn`t allowed to play Music on the Beach. The problem is, what he describe, that Bora-Bora hadn`t the permission which is necessary to play Music on the Beach.

In other countries you asked for the permission before you start your business.

Here in ibiza you can start the business and nobody ask for the permission till the police come one day and ask for it.

If you don`t have one on this time, the police can close your business or stop the things, for that you haven`t a licence like playing music in a bar or at the beach. So thats happend with Bora-Bora

@Mikkak from my information from one member of the staff of Bora-Bora, thats exactly whats happend with Bora-Bora this year.
 
Well I think that what you say goes very well with my theory.

But you are in the wrong when you say there is no need to ask licence before starting a business that needs licence.
The fact that the police close down bars or do not let them play music ( there is special licence for bars that want to play music, different that if you just have a bar)when they inspect a bar and finds out they do not have the licence proves that licence is required and is an obligation of the owner of the bussines to have it. This is what the law says. This is why they would have to pay a fine for not having it.

Most of the bars ask licence before they start bussines. Believe me. Not all the owners of bars and discos do things againts the law. If it was like this, all bars in Ibiza would be closed or without music.

Love, I am now going to bed, for some sleep. :D
 
@mikkak I wrote: "Here in ibiza you can start the business and nobody ask for the permission till the police come one day and ask for it."

Surely you need a permission or a licence before you open your club, cafe, shop or something else. But to get a licence is very complicate and needs a longtime. Even you get a licence you can not be sure, if is this will not be declared one day unguilty by another authorities.

Also there is a possiblity and one of the good things here in ibiza, if you have only a licence for a small cafe, you can ask for changing this in a licence for a bigger club.

You can start your cafe, with a small licence for only a few guests and you get this more faster than for a big cafe.

If you are very sucessfull with you cafe or club, you get a problem if you not ask than for the licence with more guests or with playing music.

And thats exactly whats happend with km5 (licence only for 25 guests and no music *lol) and Bora-Bora (no licence this year)

But I wondering why all these clubs are not ask early for their licence.
 
the press reported today the official version of the closures according to the police chief of san jose.

he says that the 7 bars which had there musical equipment precincted have cafe concierto licenses but were in fact operating as discotheques (which requires a different permit)
 
You are in the right.
This is what I was trying to say in my first post. I do not express myself so well as you. You say the things in a way that sounds very clear.

I do not understand why big clubs or better if I say people with money like the owner of km5 ( sure he is) do not ask the right licence in the first moment.
I can understand that normal people with very little money when they start a bussiness try to save money. I understand it if they not doing anything dangerous for the people.

But with big dealers no, and I cannot find a reason, in Spain we say: querer ganar hasta la última peseta, want to win even the last peseta.

Love
 
stuie said:
jesus...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

mikkak there's soooooo many threads for this already! :lol:
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Yes, but she is Spanish,s he lives in Mallorca and she has a wide knowledge about laws and permits.
She is been very helpfull in the spanish forum, where, by the way, there's only ONE post about the subject ;)
 
stephen said:
he says that the 7 bars which had there musical equipment precincted have cafe concierto licenses but were in fact operating as discotheques (which requires a different permit)
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What is the differenc between a bar and a disco ... for me it is if they charge an entrance fee it is a disco otherwise it is a bar

and isn't Km5 a restaurant
 
Stuie I just wanted to be positive, everybody it is being so dramatic, the end of Ibiza. It is just a problem of license, and it is easy for people with money to put things in order, paying they Knew license, and transforming they bars if is necessary.

Stephen. I am happy that there is an official version that stops with pessimism.

Love
 
There is a great difference betwen a bar and a disco. A bar is just for having drinks and food, if it is a cafe concierto a part of normal regulation you got to have a license to be able to play loud music, this is because you suppose to have soundproof equipment... and security. exit doors. Neighbours have rights so there is normally an hour for closing.
When is a disco you suppose to have all this things, you got to have exit doors, security guards, maximum capacity of people in the disco. Lots of things to guarantee the life of people that goes to the discos. As you see there is big difference.
Licence cost money, the one of the discos cost more.
Love
 
mikkak thanks for posting your opinion.. when I read it.. I saw.. that you give others a good view about the rules here in ibiza..

Nevertheless the question is.. why the police let themselves so many time to check the licences of Bora-Bora, DC10, Sa Trinxcha and km5.

The Problems with km5 happens already at the end of last year.
And there also Problems with Parking and accidents on the road with DC10
last year. So the DC10 change it entrances and make a new parking area.
At least at this moment, the police had to check the licence at DC10.

The same with Bora-Bora. The complaints of the neighbourhood are already exsisting since last year. So the owner make a new parking area
and this year he stop parking in front of the Bora-Bora in August.

So why the chief of the local authorities police doesn`t check the licence at the first time, when the police is informed about the complaints and denuncias.

Maybe you can me give some more information, how these things are worked here in ibiza.
 
Thanks xk8r.
I am sorry I cannot answer your question. My opinion is based on the facts that some members of this forum have posted. Once I have this facts I gave my legal opinion.
This is why I can deny or confirm certain things because I know there are possible or impossible because is not the Legal procedure marked by the law.
What the police is doing is correct from a legal point of view. If this bars havent got license or Insufficient license the normal thing is that the police intervene.
The motivation of the discotheque asociation is clear, the motivation of the neighbours is understandable, they got the rigth to have some sleep,etc,
the reason of the lateness actuation of the police I have not got a clue, maybe they ignore facts not to harm this bussiness thinking there is no danger .... And when started the pressure of the discos owners they did they job not to be accused of not doing anything. But this it is just an Hypothesis. Who knows why they did it this way, I do not know they motivation.

As you can see it is very difficult for me explain legal terms in english. Things that are very easy to explain when is the time to write them in engish I do not know how to put it all together. :oops:

So if you do not understand me is normal. :D
 
mikkak your english here is quite well, as I would say. Don`t be worry about it. And your posts brings a better understanding of the spanish law in this things and this might help me a lot better, why the things going here in that way they are going.

So.. thanks for postings and answers : :)
 
I regret to say that like every good thing one day it will have come to an end. Maybe Ibiza has done its time over the top.

But honestly i cant understand the behavior of the spanish authorities. Ibiza is still a gold mine for the spanish ecconomy and with this behavior there risking to lose it.

Im more then sure that there are other islands ready to invest and become the party capital of the world.

They better take this in cosideration.
 
wimpers said:
stephen said:
he says that the 7 bars which had there musical equipment precincted have cafe concierto licenses but were in fact operating as discotheques (which requires a different permit)
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What is the differenc between a bar and a disco ... for me it is if they charge an entrance fee it is a disco otherwise it is a bar

and isn't Km5 a restaurant
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A bar cant play life music, or loud music and can also not request a fee to get in. But there are not only bars and/or disco liscenses...

there are liscences for bars without music, bars with music, bars with life music, bars with loud music, bars with dancefloor, bars with terrace and music on it... and so on...

i know this because my parents have a restaruant where my dad plays life music each night on the terrace, but this is only in summer. He has to have a licence for the restaurant and one to play music inside in winter, and in summer he needs one for the terrace, and one to play life music on the terrace... so it is no just that simple as you say to difference bars between discos
 
KARL said:
I regret to say that like every good thing one day it will have come to an end. Maybe Ibiza has done its time over the top.

But honestly i cant understand the behavior of the spanish authorities. Ibiza is still a gold mine for the spanish ecconomy and with this behavior there risking to lose it.

Im more then sure that there are other islands ready to invest and become the party capital of the world.

They better take this in cosideration.
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The thing about this is that here in spain are laws as in every country, that restrict disco things and bars and pubs. I remember 4 years ago a new law that says that discos must close at 6 am and bars at 3am.

As Ibiza is part of spain the spanish authorities must act the same as in other cities. Ibiza may be magic but it is not an untouchable city. If exceptions were made in ibiza, they could be done everywhere in spain.

And there is something more important. Ibiza and it's clubbing scene is not such a gold mine as you say. The clubber tourism in ibiza is a low reason of money entrance. There is a big community of people that go to ibiza and spend much more money on restaurants, hotels, yachts and luxory villa's. Not all money is comming from discos.

You have know that not only party gives ibiza and spain money. If this were so, there would be the BIG 17 and not only 7.
 
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