most ses salines and es cavallet restaurants to be knocked down ! !

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and when we thought things couldnt get any worse we read today in DDI that the coastal authorities want to knock down guaraná, jockey club, sa trinxa, malibú, el chiringuito and chiringay because they were built illegally in a protected area and damage the dunes:

:arrow: the government plans to demolish six restaurants in ses salines and es cavallet

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Jesus, what is wrong with these people?

Having said that they were obviously voted in by the electorate and must represent the majority view of the islanders :(
 
To be honest I don't know exactly what the Spanish Law say about building in protected areas and/or in the beach but I understand the Government wants to protect some areas. The problem is that in most of coastal Spain there has been a truly awful way of build for the past 40 years, e.g. Benidorm, Costa del Sol, Mallorca, etc. If they want to rebuilt some of those areas...they should start by some other cities in Spain!!!
Anyway, the news say all restaurants in Ses Salines and Es Cavallet are bigger than the allowance, but it doesn't mean they have to disappear...they'll just have to be redesign to be within the law. It's a natural protected area after all...
 
Blimey the politics don't sound very clear in Ibiza!

Out of interest, is there a manifesto for the newly elected lot in Ibiza?
 
WeLuvIbiza said:
Blimey the politics don't sound very clear in Ibiza!
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I'm not so sure.

There are probably relatively clear laws about the type and size of structures permitted to be built, and a required distance from shore, in protected coastal areas. Could be that people just ignored them and the government didn't really pay attention until now.
 
Sevilla25 said:
To be honest I don't know exactly what the Spanish Law say about building in protected areas and/or in the beach but I understand the Government wants to protect some areas. The problem is that in most of coastal Spain there has been a truly awful way of build for the past 40 years, e.g. Benidorm, Costa del Sol, Mallorca, etc. If they want to rebuilt some of those areas...they should start by some other cities in Spain!!!
Anyway, the news say all restaurants in Ses Salines and Es Cavallet are bigger than the allowance, but it doesn't mean they have to disappear...they'll just have to be redesign to be within the law. It's a natural protected area after all...
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But Benidorm it's not a protected area, neither Salou, Lloret or Magalluf.

Sevilla, you know it's not first time we hear news like this, even in not protected areas we have seen buildings - chiringuitos knoked down.
Our coastline is a massive disgrace, and as much as I like the beach bars and specially Sa Trinxa and Guaraná, I think that anything done in order to protect or recover our coastline is a good action
 
Morbyd said:
I'm not so sure.

There are probably relatively clear laws about the type and size of structures permitted to be built, and a required distance from shore, in protected coastal areas. Could be that people just ignored them and the government didn't really pay attention until now.
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But who makes the laws in Ibiza? (note to self, learn the politics of Ibiza before engaging in conversation on such!).


eg:
Jersey - Channel Islands is still under the British crown etc but have their own laws. They wouldn't get building inspectors from the mainland going over there to check on buildings.
 
WeLuvIbiza said:
But who makes the laws in Ibiza? (note to self, learn the politics of Ibiza before engaging in conversation on such!).


eg:
Jersey - Channel Islands is still under the British crown etc but have their own laws. They wouldn't get building inspectors from the mainland going over there to check on buildings.
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Depending on the matter of the laws, some are National, others are Balearic and others are local
 
What Silvia said ^^
Which is generally the case in most federal countries (national, regional and local/municipal levels legal regimes)

But I think the Channel Islands also have a level of autonomy that the Belearics don't (correct me if I'm wrong, Sil, but aren't they just another Spanish province?)
 
Obviously from a totally personal (and probably selfish) point of view:

Far more damaging to the ibiza landscape are the monstrous apartment blocks flying up all over the place with scant regard to the impact on the surounding areas.
 
Morbyd said:
What Silvia said ^^
Which is generally the case in most federal countries (national, regional and local/municipal levels legal regimes)

But I think the Channel Islands also have a level of autonomy that the Belearics don't (correct me if I'm wrong, Sil, but aren't they just another Spanish province?)
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the balearics are an autonomous community
 
an example of the various levels of politics in ibiza.

closing down salinas = national, environment ministry
closing down clubs = regional, government of ibiza and formentera
stopping after hours = local, san antonio administrative area took this decision as stand alone from other areas of ibiza, some of whom have followed or will
 
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Its a difficult one this. A lot of us are obviously attached to alot of these places.

However (with my work hat on), planning laws are there to protect the overriding interests of society against wishes of private developers etc.

If the dunes are protected, the dunes are protected. Maybe they are home to species of animals that need protecting & have been there for millenia longer than the clubs have and will be.

Also the laws are to protect the interests of all the islanders, not just those with a stake in a few beach bars. Ok the club scene is presumably the overiding micro economy.

Typically building allowed in protected areas, with the authorities turning a blind eye is indicative of a corrupt culture ala Sicily & the sack of palermo (if that means anything).

Maybe they are getting their act together, same as the drugs laws. We have benefited from the lax legislation in a number of areas in ibiza for so long - imagine if some one plonked a bar on Brighton beach without planning permission, the resi's would rightly be up in arms.
 
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