ministry of drugs

Olly said:
I think it is really hard for a lot of parents who've been ravers and now have kids - I have a lot of friends lates 30s/early 40s with children in London who still indulge when they have nights off / the babysitter in. There is no moral dilemma there in the same way you restrict your children's viewing of adult TV etc. [I do have a moral issue with people who indulge IN FRONT of young children, which I have seen and which I think is unacceptable] I think the sensible thing with the education is to to be upfront and say, x is legal and does/might do this, y is illegal and does/might do this, and then let them make their own choices, warning of the risks but also explaining that there are potential positives as well. If a teenager is quite shy and withdrawn and meets friends through rave culture - I think many enlightened parents would think that is far better and more socially acceptable than same kid curfewed in their bedroom being corrupted by violent porn...

+ let's never forget - telling teenagers what NOT to do is a historically proven way of ensuring they WILL do it!
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Me and my missus still indulge as do most of our friends who have kids. However none of us ever have or ever would indulge in front of the kids. I very rarely even drink if out for a meal or indoors with the kids (usually as they pester me for it!). Once the kids are in bed or at their various kennells is a different matter. However one thing we never do is let the kids miss out on something due to previous night's excesses. If we have told them we are going swimming, park, etc etc then we take then. Why should they miss out coz we have been partying?? I quite like it as you don't have time to feel sorry for yourself you just get up and get on with it. The kids smell weakness too and will punish you.

I am never going to tell kids don't do it as i'm not hypocritical and would never want them to lie to me about it. I want them to be honest and I will be with them. My missus rarely drinks or gets drunk as she was allowed to have the odd drink at home when younger and knows all about it. However her mates go out and get totally gazeebowed and end up flashing their brands hatch at everyone! Her parents smoke weed and she has never even had a puff on a joint.

As Olly says if you say no then you know for a fact they will! My old dear still nags me about drugs and i'm 36 and have 20 years of being a walking labroratory so bit late for her to keep on but that's mothers for you. She still demands to see my eyes when I have my sunglasses on!

Also I have loads of mates who still do and don't do drugs and not one friendship has stopped because they do or don't. However I have lost friends who I don't speak to as they will only drink in a certain pubs 7 days a week and not interested in going anywhere else. I have made many a good friend over the years and still keep in touch with them. Your friends are your friends.
 
NakedAge said:
Drugs aren't the problem, I agree. ... But they're not the solution. The solution is, how you said, fulfilment. By taking drugs out of clubs, people might find fulfillment in clubs legitimately. .. Like, some people might find it in writing or art or sport or, dance music. But, they don't need drugs to be any of those things.
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You seem to miss the point that dance music wouldn't be where it is today without drugs. Even if you don't personally like or do drugs, you have to recognise this. The synergy between E and the music is what created the popularity. The UK, late 80s/early 90s - how many people would have congregated in fields to dance their asses off all night if it wasn't for E? If there'd been no mass gatherings, would anyone have created tracks for them? And how many dance tunes reference drugs in the titles or lyrics?
 
"...
Chocolate Surprise

Officers arrested a Dutch man on Monday evening,
after one of the biggest drugs hauls ever recorded on the island.

The story began on Monday morning as two lorry drivers working for a national
transport company arrived on the island with 138 kilos of chocolate,
to be delivered to an address in Playa den Bossa.

:lol: Once here they decided to try a bar, as they were both hungry. :lol:
However, just moments later they began to feel unwell,
and in their own words, "thought they were going to die".

They tried to make their way to Can Misses but were unable to drive,
so quickly called the Guardia Civil.
Officers immediately suspected the chocolates may contain some type of drug,
and both men were quickly taken to Can Misses where they made a slow
but full recovery.

The Guardia Civil decided to continue with the delivery,
with two plain-clothed officers handing over the goods to a Dutchman
in a rented flat in calle Mediterranea, Playa den Bossa.
He was immediately arrested and after permission was given by the Court,
the flat was searched.
Inside officers found a total of 31,000 ecstasy tablets and 11 kilos of MDMA.
The drug inside the chocolates was still being analysed, but police believe it to be LSD,
of which there were 25,000 doses, around 138 kilos.

In court the following day the accused man, who has lived on the island
for the last eight years, admitted to storing the drugs in return for €15,000,
money he claims he needed due to the dire economic situation
he currently found himself in.

However, investigating officers believe him to be one of the biggest dealers
of ecstasy and LSD in Europe ...
..."
(ibiza-sun)



those criminals (= lorry drivers) should go to jail ...
... for stealing the chocolate :lol:
 
icebaer69 said:
"...
Chocolate Surprise

Officers arrested a Dutch man on Monday evening,
after one of the biggest drugs hauls ever recorded on the island.

The story began on Monday morning as two lorry drivers working for a national
transport company arrived on the island with 138 kilos of chocolate,
to be delivered to an address in Playa den Bossa.

:lol: Once here they decided to try a bar, as they were both hungry. :lol:
However, just moments later they began to feel unwell,
and in their own words, "thought they were going to die".

They tried to make their way to Can Misses but were unable to drive,
so quickly called the Guardia Civil.
Officers immediately suspected the chocolates may contain some type of drug,
and both men were quickly taken to Can Misses where they made a slow
but full recovery.

The Guardia Civil decided to continue with the delivery,
with two plain-clothed officers handing over the goods to a Dutchman
in a rented flat in calle Mediterranea, Playa den Bossa.
He was immediately arrested and after permission was given by the Court,
the flat was searched.
Inside officers found a total of 31,000 ecstasy tablets and 11 kilos of MDMA.
The drug inside the chocolates was still being analysed, but police believe it to be LSD,
of which there were 25,000 doses, around 138 kilos.

In court the following day the accused man, who has lived on the island
for the last eight years, admitted to storing the drugs in return for €15,000,
money he claims he needed due to the dire economic situation
he currently found himself in.

However, investigating officers believe him to be one of the biggest dealers
of ecstasy and LSD in Europe ...
..."
(ibiza-sun)



those criminals (= lorry drivers) should go to jail ...
... for stealing the chocolate :lol:
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Indeed, I hope they find it hard to get work in future, cannot be trusted.

or......

Could have gone for a lie down for a couple of hours and been in possession of riches beyond their dreams. Rock up in the space car park selling 'special chocolate' bars :lol::lol::lol:
 
NakedAge said:
Human Traffic is a joke. I used to think like that as well. "Oh wow story of my life" .. **** that.
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Once again, you've dismissed something without really dealing with the issues it raises. Human Traffic is actually a very honest film. It doesn't paint a completely positive picture, so even if you're anti-drugs I don't see how you can call it a "joke". (Aside from the obvious fact that it is, at heart, a comedy.:rolleyes:) In fact, I suspect that the only reason you're calling it a "joke" is because you don't approve of it dealing with the positivity of drugs at all, regardless of the negatives it touches on. But that IS the message of Human Traffic... that club culture and absolutely everything that comes with it are not society's problems, but a result of society's problems... i.e. relentless careerism, lack of community spirit, egotism.

I think the obvious difference between our outlooks, NA, is that you have this idea that drugs are an "easy way out"... that the drugs put in place notions of friendship and emotional connection that are entirely artificial.

Whereas, as I've said, I see drugs as merely having a magnifying effect. The friendships and emotional connections are already established by what the clubbing experience is all about... the shared passion for music, collective excitement and release of tension, visual spectacle, being able to dance without feeilng self-concious etc. Those emotions aren't completely fake because they exist before an E is even dropped. The drugs just take it to a level that just simply cannot be attained by the human mind alone. There's nothing sad about that and its not evidence of being boring. It's just the reality.

In fact, I'm sorry to bring this back to Terence McKenna AGAIN, but so much of what he says makes earth shattering sense to me. You yourself, NA, find it "insulting" that someone might suggest that you can't find fulfilment through the use of your own unenhanced mental machinery. Not the case says, McKenna...

"People say, "Don't you think you ought to be able to do it by yourself?" And I love this question because the answer is: You can't do it by yourself. That's the entire message of the last 10,000 years of human history. The self is insufficient. The ego will not suffice...you must humble yourself to the point where you admit that you can't do it unless you have help from someone whose idea of home is a cow flop."
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Now, I can almost guarentee you won't understand my use of that quote unless you are either on my side of the argument in the first place OR have read/heard some of McKenna's work. But even so, there's the divide in thinking, which, let's face it, is a chasm.
 
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ED CASE said:
Human Traffic is a pile of steaming gick, and I say that a former card carrying caner
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Opinion... check
Reasoned argument ... missing.


I have never understood why people give opinions and don't explain why they hold those opinions. Otherwise stating your opinions might as well just be a symptom of Tourettes. :rolleyes::lol:
 
Lots of :lol::lol::lol: on this thread :D

I don't think i've ever been to MOS and NOT been offered drugs and i've been a few times ;)

Nothing beats last Thur in the park for Blur though, usual lads walking through asking if anyone needed anything etc.....bit pissed so asked him for a small filipino girl which got a few laughs :spank: And in all seriousness he asked for my number as he could could def get me one later :eek::lol:

Now that's being tapped into all your available markets and opportunities 8)
 
N8 said:
Lots of :lol::lol::lol: on this thread :D

I don't think i've ever been to MOS and NOT been offered drugs and i've been a few times ;)

Nothing beats last Thur in the park for Blur though, usual lads walking through asking if anyone needed anything etc.....bit pissed so asked him for a small filipino girl which got a few laughs :spank: And in all seriousness he asked for my number as he could could def get me one later :eek::lol:

Now that's being tapped into all your available markets and opportunities 8)
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:lol::lol::lol: Don't get Naked Age wound up about paid for sex......

Agreed a truly entertaining thread with all the various twists 'n turns.:D:D
 
Shirley no-one thought Human Traffic was meant to be taken too seriously???

Hardly Schindler's List is it.

It's a comedy.

Give me hope Joanna.
 
Phil_Dicko said:
Opinion... check
Reasoned argument ... missing.


I have never understood why people give opinions and don't explain why they hold those opinions. Otherwise stating your opinions might as well just be a symptom of Tourettes. :rolleyes::lol:
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Ummm don't knock people with Tourette syndrome.

Maybe people don't explain why they hold those opinions because when ever they do they are seen as lesser human beings by people who assume they are enlightened and right?

Having a different opinion to the mainstream (Yeah thats right, all you retards who think your so smart with your anti establishment mentalities are actually mainstream.) is hard enough because you get forum raped for it. Explaining your reasoning for it is like trying to explain life to a suicide bomber
 
madwhitegiant said:
I like the film. Think it's what it is, a comedy but clever too.

Doesn't need to pop spots on a mirror for a laugh! :lol:
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Kevin and Perry ****s all over human traffic. .. Kevin and Perry is what it is a comedy, but not clever, thats whats great about it. Its just entertainment set in a clubbers lifestyle setting. Human Traffic trys to be all moral and enlightened and ethical and ****. Its a brain fart of a film


Also, the best one that I think is closest to how it is (or relates most to my experiences personally)... Groove ;)
 
NakedAge said:
Ummm don't knock people with Tourette syndrome.
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Errr, I wasn't knocking people with Tourettes. I was making an observation that expressing an opinion without expressing a reasoned argument to back it up renders an opinion relatively meaningless... i.e. it might as well be an involuntary tick. How is that knocking people with Tourettes? :lol:
 
NakedAge said:
Ummm don't knock people with Tourette syndrome.

Maybe people don't explain why they hold those opinions because when ever they do they are seen as lesser human beings by people who assume they are enlightened and right?

Having a different opinion to the mainstream (Yeah thats right, all you retards who think your so smart with your anti establishment mentalities are actually mainstream.) is hard enough because you get forum raped for it. Explaining your reasoning for it is like trying to explain life to a suicide bomber
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Without wanting to sound too harsh, you have some real issues to deal with.
 
Phil_Dicko said:
Errr, I wasn't knocking people with Tourettes. I was making an observation that expressing an opinion without expressing a reasoned argument to back it up renders an opinion relatively meaningless... i.e. it might as well be an involuntary tick. How is that knocking people with Tourettes? :lol:
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.... ... .. .... Do you know the reasoning behind an involuntary tick?

WeLuvIbiza: Maybe I do, but here isn't the place for that. This is just a place to discuss drug issues related to dance music culture.

Beleive it or not, the involuntary tick, and taking xtc bare more in common than you probably realise.
 
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