Looks like Bora Bora have a little problem

McRackin said:
Morbyd said:
which keeps the tourists happy
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If you'd have quoted his full sentence it actually made sense. The island is a tourist mecca, and despite your campaign against the visitors, the majority do respect the residents and the real needs of the island are to keep the economy going.
The bottom line is the locals should control what happens, regardless of what anyone else wants, but if the tourists were stopped from coming, it's not only us who would be unhappy.
 
hook said:
the majority do respect the residents
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i know but the neighbors of bora bora dont think the same, thats why they are protesting!! :roll:

as stephen explained in another thread..........

stephen said:
"the traders near to this particular bar lament their closeness to it. they say that the clients of this bar cause them untold problems with blatant drug taking, noise during the night as bottle parties take place there, traffic problems, and finally they are losing customers becasue no normal people want to be anywhere near this vicinity"
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Im with McRackin and the ibiza people on this one im afraid. Coming from a holiday resort myself all be it Blackpool i think you learn to repect were you go more. I work in the town centre in a take away and allot of the people who come in are an embaresment, they have no respect for there surroundings or the people arround them, Just cause you on holiday dosent mean its ok to disrepect people who live were you are going and expect them to put up with it.
 
add to the bora bora controversy the fact that during the last days the newspapers have been reporting that many traders of playa den bossa complain about tourists stealing in their supermarkets/shops/etc daily (and even menacing them after been caught stealing) and then go to these pissed off traders/neighbors/etc affected and try to explain them that the majority of tourists respect the residents..........
 
in my opinion this is all to do with politics and money, not tourists stealing, blatant drug taking or traffic problems.

space patrons must surely cause the people in the area of playa den bossa an equal amount if not more problems than bora bora.

also, to people of the UK at least, remember that neither of these venues would be allowed to operate in the way they do in our country especially in an area as built up as PDB.
 
GazDaBomb said:
i dont understand why some people on here refuse to believe that Boro Boro could cause a problem.
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i didnt say that, all i'm saying is space is a problem too but wont get the same treatment or be threatened with closure because of the palm crossing etc.

is ANY other club on the island allowed to open for 22 hours. i dont think so.
 
Space in located in a big car park and not that near apartments so its not as much of a problem. Bora bora is alot nearer appartments and obviously, to anyone who has been, has wide spread drug taking, too many people coming and going and is very noisey.

As for the residents v tourists thing, it's always a touchy subject as tourists are a pain in the arse but without them ibiza has no economy. I also noted in another thread that ibiza has nothing other than the party scene to separate it from any other med destination (still hopeful someone can prove me wrong though)
 
Space still have to stop the noise at night hence no terrace and things do have to be done with space else why would they be putting a roof over the terrace? Space also isnt directly next to shops. you can walk out of space and get a taxi in the space carpark. so there is less disturbance from people walking round making noise.
 
Ok, remind me again what shops are right next to Bora Bora!?!! There's nothing but Jet all around for at least 100 meters except for that new building (which, once again I'll say, is I'm sure why this issue is coming up now). That's a long, long block between the street and the beach. Admit it people... this is political, pure and simple.

There are shops across the road from Space that are closer than anything is to Bora Bora.

The problem is not Bora Bora itself. If people have a problem with patrons of Bora when they leave the premises, then the police need to respond. Jet should, and probably would if requested, also expand their guards' mandate to include making sure people dispersed properly at the end of the night.

Also, if it really comes to that, you could reduce the volume on Bora Bora and it would still be a fun place (you'd just have to hang out closer to the bar and enjoy the silence on the beach).
 
You think 100meters is a long way when you have many hundreds of people coming out of one space at the same time????
 
Morbyd said:
Ok, remind me again what shops are right next to Bora Bora!?!! There's nothing but Jet all around for at least 100 meters
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you know perfectly that bora bora not only affects to what is right next - all the area is affected in lots of senses (specially the restaurant es daus - just on the crossroad)!! :idea:

Morbyd said:
except for that new building (which, once again I'll say, is I'm sure why this issue is coming up now). That's a long, long block between the street and the beach. Admit it people... this is political, pure and simple.
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you dont get it. it has nothing to do with the new building (yet)..........

stephen said:
"the traders near to this particular bar lament their closeness to it. they say that the clients of this bar cause them untold problems with blatant drug taking, noise during the night as bottle parties take place there, traffic problems, and finally they are losing customers becasue no normal people want to be anywhere near this vicinity"
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http://www.diariodeibiza.com/secciones/noticia.jsp?pIdNoticia=29816
http://www.diariodeibiza.com/secciones/noticia.jsp?pIdNoticia=29817
 
Superstara said:
vienna said:
Superstara said:
If you don´t want more roads you will have more traffic jams...
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you forgot that there are people living on the island! pay respect to them, you are only a guest!
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You´re right. I´m a quest. And I really pay...for it. A LOT!
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So you think cause you pay to go to ibiza then you have bought the right to disrepect the people of ibiza?????
 
GazDaBomb said:
You think 100meters is a long way when you have many hundreds of people coming out of one space at the same time????
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You're mixing two different issues.

If we are talking about shops having there business disrupted, then YES, the 100+ meters is more than enough (I'm not good with the meterage, but Bora is a long way from any shops.)

If we are talking about people leaving at closing time, then the shops are already more than closed by that hour.
 
McRackin said:
Superstara said:
If you have too much cars you have to build more roads...

People complain about cars and next day they spray "NO VOLEM AUTOPISTA" to the nearest wall? If you don´t want more roads you will have more traffic jams...

Have you been in the car park behind the La Sirena department store? It is like a second runway, it is HUGE :!: There really isn´t a parking problem.

Solution for this is simply forgetting those stupid noise restrictions after 12pm. If they let Bora Bora keep going until 6am - people won´t have to leave at the same time ;)
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none of your points make sense. obviously you dont give a shit about the real needs of the island and what the locals want for their beloved island. tourists like you who come here only for a week have to understand that the people who live here all year round dont want to see everything spoilt to have more roads so you can arrive to mambo for sunset 5 minutes earlier. and you have to understand that most of the locals have to wake up early to work so the noise restrictions are necessary!! :roll:

as vienna said - you are only a guest so be a bit more respectful..........

McSerious,


off to la cama.
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A) Didn´t you see this ;) ? Or don´t you know what it means? I´m just joking (with noise restrictions).

B) If you don´t want traffic jams - you have to build roads. If you don´t want to build roads - you will have traffic jams. Is my english so bad you couldn´t figure this out. I´m not taking sides, I´m just saying you have to choose. You can´t have both.

C) Have you been in that car park? There really is not parking problem. Go there and it will make sense to you.

I just think this article is a little bit funny. So my answer to it is also little bit funny/overboard...
 
GazDaBomb said:
Superstara said:
vienna said:
Superstara said:
If you don´t want more roads you will have more traffic jams...
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you forgot that there are people living on the island! pay respect to them, you are only a guest!
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You´re right. I´m a quest. And I really pay...for it. A LOT!
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So you think cause you pay to go to ibiza then you have bought the right to disrepect the people of ibiza?????
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My english must be very poor. This is a kind of joke :D you know? :roll:
 
McRackin said:
you know perfectly that bora bora not only affects to what is right next - all the area is affected in lots of senses (specially the restaurant es daus - just on the crossroad)!!
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So, you're trying to tell me that during the day, when shops are open, they are disturbed by Bora Bora? You and I both know that's not true. I have seen plenty of tourists and families walking around during the day. Moreover, that's not even the most foot-travelled part of PdB.

McRackin said:
you dont get it. it has nothing to do with the new building (yet)..........
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Are you sure of that? Ever worked in public affairs? Because it is Exactly the kind of thing that would happen anywhere in Europe. Looks like a grassroots effort, but very easily could be the developer.

McRackin said:
stephen said:
the traders near to this particular bar lament their closeness to it. they say that the clients of this bar cause them untold problems with blatant drug taking, noise during the night as bottle parties take place there, traffic problems, and finally they are losing customers becasue no normal people want to be anywhere near this vicinity[/size]"
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Maybe this is a different Bora Bora we're talking about. I've never seen any bottle parties at night. If it's a problem with people dispersing, then require Jet to police the place better with threat of closure.

As for normal people, that Sirena shop down the block and across the way is always full of 'normal' customers when I've been here, if we're talking about daytime. The bars along there are always trying to lure you in for drinks in the evening (perhaps they're jealous they can't compete?!)

I don't want everyone to think that I'm anti-local because I'm totally not. I just think this is a commercial question and has very little to do with disgruntled average citizens. This is not an us-against-them issue no matter with whom you sympathize (locals, tourists). In a tourist resort, especially one like Ibiza, it's all about tweaking the balance and if some changes need to be made, so be it. But we shouldn't assume that because a couple of complaints pop up that they are immediately valid and altruistic, nor should we assume that there couldn't be improvements.
 
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