Is Vinyl dead?
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dominicfiend
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yes and yes...
I think many of the best DJs still swear on vinyl but make use of a cdj for special effects. If you're not on a dj level, where the labels send you the vinyl for free, I'd say:
Question 1: It is dying, not because you could do anything better with a cdj, but because the distribution of digital media is becoming more and more popular. (Why buying a record for 10 euro, if you could download a track for 1 euro? pioneers play mp3s very well ..)
Question 2: You shouldn't sell your mixer, you'll need it with your new cdjs
Question 1: It is dying, not because you could do anything better with a cdj, but because the distribution of digital media is becoming more and more popular. (Why buying a record for 10 euro, if you could download a track for 1 euro? pioneers play mp3s very well ..)
Question 2: You shouldn't sell your mixer, you'll need it with your new cdjs
The way forward is definitely with software like Torq, Serato, & Traktor Scratch etc. As mini Marc says you can use Vinyl with these systems so you get that same vinyl feel as your records and you can have your classic set up using your Technics 1210's. These systems work with Cdj's also. I use Torq it's excellent.
diver
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I was going to update my mixer (Technics scratch mixer although I have never scratched) to a pioneer DJM400I
Question 2: You shouldn't sell your mixer, you'll need it with your new cdjs
diver
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I have no idea what all this software can do. I really need to sel the decks to duy the CDJ 1000s. Is there a cheaper alternative?
diver
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You are exactly right. I cannot spend 10E on vinyl when I can buy a track online for a tenth of the price.I think many of the best DJs still swear on vinyl but make use of a cdj for special effects. If you're not on a dj level, where the labels send you the vinyl for free, I'd say:
Question 1: It is dying, not because you could do anything better with a cdj, but because the distribution of digital media is becoming more and more popular. (Why buying a record for 10 euro, if you could download a track for 1 euro? pioneers play mp3s very well ..)
Question 2: You shouldn't sell your mixer, you'll need it with your new cdjs
These softwares allow u to play mp3's,WAVs , any audio file u may have on a laptop/cpu through your existing turntables . They use special vinyls and soundcards which translate the signal from the turntable into position in a track on your laptop which is outputted as sound.You can scratch in real time , basically nothing changes except you now store your record collection on your laptop rather than buying records (expensive). This can be used in the same way with cdj's so u negate the need to burn every track to cd , u just have 1 pair of timecoded cd's . U may want to get cdj's to learn how to mix using them but it is no longer neccesary to get them to avoid having to buy records .
Further to this the softwares add features like fx , loops , midi control and extra channels depending which one u get. You can also get special controlers which are basically a set of buttons/dials that can be assigned to all these features so you dont have to piss around on your laptop you have a knob you can ncrank which is assigned to an effect so altho it all seems very techy you can still control it in a traditional sort of way.
Sorry if i have rambled abit . Ive just been looking into all this stuff myself and am ready to take the plunge , I think its def the way forward and u can use turntables or cdj's so just depends what you want to use . You can also choose neither but thats a different ball game!
Further to this the softwares add features like fx , loops , midi control and extra channels depending which one u get. You can also get special controlers which are basically a set of buttons/dials that can be assigned to all these features so you dont have to piss around on your laptop you have a knob you can ncrank which is assigned to an effect so altho it all seems very techy you can still control it in a traditional sort of way.
Sorry if i have rambled abit . Ive just been looking into all this stuff myself and am ready to take the plunge , I think its def the way forward and u can use turntables or cdj's so just depends what you want to use . You can also choose neither but thats a different ball game!
Maybe a cdj800 is still ok for you? Most functions are the same.
But as a recommendation, I wouldn't buy any cd player from another brand. I made this mistake several years ago and bought a cheap "no name" double cd player. I hated working with this and always tended to use vinyl. The biggest problem of this device was, that it's not working exact. you push the start button and you never know how many milliseconds it takes till the sound really starts. I never managed to direct start the new tune with an already open chanel. either it doesn't start when you want it or it doesn't start at all because buttons are plastic **** (sorry).
with the cdjs it's absolutly no problem. they work 100% as you expect them to. this was the time when i broke down my record players (honestly!), because it's really fun to play with the cdjs. (btw. I don't work for pionner, but i'm really crazy about this hardware
...)neillmurphy
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I only recently made the move to digital.
Used vinyl for nearly ten years then moved to cd's as mp3 became more and more convenient (and financially agreeable) and then finally decided to move over to software based dj'ing.
I'm using Traktor at the moment but rather than go for the 'scratch' version I opted for a midi controller. Plumped for the Vestax VCI-100. http://www.vestax.com/v/products/players/vci100.html
Wasn't sure if I'd made the right choice at first but after a month or two of using it I'm certain I have. Sooo convenient having everything you need located in one unit. Quite portable as well but also sturdy. Great piece of kit.
Mixing with vinyl on 1210's was awesome but the bottom line is that people used them for so long because there was no alternative. Now there are alternatives which seem to allow you to do a lot more.
Vinyl will never die though - too many people love it for that to happen. There will always be people who collect it and there will probably always be some DJ's who don't want to play on anything else.
Used vinyl for nearly ten years then moved to cd's as mp3 became more and more convenient (and financially agreeable) and then finally decided to move over to software based dj'ing.
I'm using Traktor at the moment but rather than go for the 'scratch' version I opted for a midi controller. Plumped for the Vestax VCI-100. http://www.vestax.com/v/products/players/vci100.html
Wasn't sure if I'd made the right choice at first but after a month or two of using it I'm certain I have. Sooo convenient having everything you need located in one unit. Quite portable as well but also sturdy. Great piece of kit.
Mixing with vinyl on 1210's was awesome but the bottom line is that people used them for so long because there was no alternative. Now there are alternatives which seem to allow you to do a lot more.
Vinyl will never die though - too many people love it for that to happen. There will always be people who collect it and there will probably always be some DJ's who don't want to play on anything else.
I just got Traktor Scratch tho havnt set it up yet . Am thinking maybe getting a small Controller for some of the functions in Trraktor 3.3 which hopefully I'll get free if i get round to registering TS . Its true tho , now there isnt a neccessity for a "player" , as long as you have a laptop and a controller you can still be manipulating music in a semi traditional way but probs with more possibilities . Exciting times i say
neillmurphy
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Very exciting. I love that there are so many different ways to do things now.
Variety is the spice of life as they say - it's cool that on any given night you can have four or five dj's playing one after another and all using different gear.
Variety is the spice of life as they say - it's cool that on any given night you can have four or five dj's playing one after another and all using different gear.
You can get a fully working trial of VDJ (Virtual DJ) from www.virtualdj.com
You can also buy the Hercules MK mixer http://www.hercules.com/uk/DJ-Music/ and get either Traktor or VDJ with it.
Mines only cost £135 and I took laptop, the Mk2, USD HDD on holidays in my hand luggage.
Been using it since May 2007 (the Mk2) and have to say it's a good investment. The Mk2 version has bulit in soundcard so you just need to plug it in and away you go.
And you can use loads of effects on VDJ to spice up your tunes
You can also buy the Hercules MK mixer http://www.hercules.com/uk/DJ-Music/ and get either Traktor or VDJ with it.
Mines only cost £135 and I took laptop, the Mk2, USD HDD on holidays in my hand luggage.
Been using it since May 2007 (the Mk2) and have to say it's a good investment. The Mk2 version has bulit in soundcard so you just need to plug it in and away you go.
And you can use loads of effects on VDJ to spice up your tunes
neillmurphy
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Had a play about with virtual DJ a while ago - think it was an old version though. Quite liked it although it didn't have quite the same professional feel or look to it as traktor does.One thing I did like though was the wave forms of each track running together in the one display (as opposed to Traktors seperate displays for each track) - great visual aid.
I won't sell my Decks, I will keep my records, I don't play them, and only rarely buy new ones.. Digital music has made it possible for people to produce and share music and mixes more easily compared to using vinyl and even CD. If I was unpreparred and someone asked me to DJ I'd go back to Vinyl, but give me a day and I'll prep my laptop.
These things are instruments you pick the one you are more creative with and can deliver the best result you can. I think that is all there is to it, it's personal choice, and gets harder and more interesting as time goes by.
Clive
These things are instruments you pick the one you are more creative with and can deliver the best result you can. I think that is all there is to it, it's personal choice, and gets harder and more interesting as time goes by.
Clive
I got Serato Scratch Live a couple of weeks ago. I didn't want to sell my 1210's and buy CD decks because I love mixing with vinyl, but it's too expensive compared to downloads so SSL was the obvious choice for me. It's a joy to use. I always felt a bit detatched from the music when using CDJs.
