Fate

Sirens said:
But what decides this outcome? Some higher force? God?
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I don't know, probably God I guess. Some people find it comforting to think that bad things to have a reason behind them. To just think that they happen needlessly is such a horrible though :(

I know a lot of what happens in your life is down to your own doing, but somethings are totally out of your hands.
 
yes and No for this one.

It has to be said that most things happen for a reason, but that is obviously, like going on holiday, the reason being to have a good time, having a good time being in your memory forever - it goes on

No matter what you do there is an outcome, a reason, therefore everything must happen for a reason:idea:
 
Beckiboo said:
I don't know, probably God I guess. Some people find it comforting to think that bad things to have a reason behind them. To just think that they happen needlessly is such a horrible though :(
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but thats the whole point. it is nothing more than a way of coping to do that, nothing to do with them having a reason to happen.

IMO bad situations are bad enough without having to con yourself that somehow its better or not so bad cos it was meant to happen or God did it or whatever.

agree with utaguara.............fate shmate!:lol:
 
grego said:
but thats the whole point. it is nothing more than a way of coping to do that, nothing to do with them having a reason to happen.

IMO bad situations are bad enough without having to con yourself that somehow its better or not so bad cos it was meant to happen or God did it or whatever.

agree with utaguara.............fate shmate!:lol:
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But then you could even say bad things happen if only to make us better people? I.e they happen to teach us something?
 
Beckiboo said:
But then you could even say bad things happen if only to make us better people? I.e they happen to teach us something?
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i hear your point but the bad stuff that has happened to me didn't teach me anything at all other than that bad stuff happens, which i knew anyway.

going through it hasn't helped me to become the way I am now, I've just always been the way I am. If anything its the reverse, bad stuff happening has set me back and been a kick in the ribs rather than then helping me to overcome it.

my ability to overcome problems/challenges has always been the same.
 
grego said:
i hear your point but the bad stuff that has happened to me didn't teach me anything at all other than that bad stuff happens, which i knew anyway.

going through it hasn't helped me to become the way I am now, I've just always been the way I am. If anything its the reverse, bad stuff happening has set me back and been a kick in the ribs rather than then helping me to overcome it.

my ability to overcome problems/challenges has always been the same.
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You cant possibly know that for sure though. You might have been totally different had you had a different life to the one you have had.
 
grego said:
i hear your point but the bad stuff that has happened to me didn't teach me anything at all other than that bad stuff happens, which i knew anyway.

going through it hasn't helped me to become the way I am now, I've just always been the way I am. If anything its the reverse, bad stuff happening has set me back and been a kick in the ribs rather than then helping me to overcome it.

my ability to overcome problems/challenges has always been the same.
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:cry:
 
silvia said:
If I did understand what's fate I don't belive in it, It's not wrotten anywhere and its you who writes it everyday in every decision
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Then people who lost their lives on september 11th decided of the day of their death?
 
A good example of this would be the friend-who-has-everything situation. I'm sure everyone has one!

You have a friend who has had everything they've wanted in life. Loving parents, nice house, cars, enough money to keep them doing the hobbies they want to do. Never known anyone who's been ill, in trouble, never been heartbroken, basically never struggled in their lives! My friend is a great person, but she has absolutely no idea of what it's like to have it hard at times!

Then when they have a dilemma regarding school/work/boyfriend they fall to bits, and you think to yourself "god if only you knew what it really was to have a problem!"

I think them people are very lucky, and I'm sure anyone who had lived a fortunate enough life not to have ever suffered in some way would be the same.
 
I agree that things happen out of our control..but i don't think things just happen.

I think there can be bad timing... when my friend got hit by a car, the lady driving the car still made the decision to be careless.

A boyfriend i had a few years ago... he talked about it us being fate... and i said 'no, i handed in my cv to that workplace and i got the job and you used to stalk me on my lunch break'

there are so many sliding doors... ever seen the film? :)

its like saying 'if i had gone to uni in another city maybe i would have met someone there, who introduced me to someone, who got me a job, who i went traveling with who i had a fight with on the trip, so i went out a one one day and met the love of my life'

I think when bad things happen, true, people says things like 'everything happens for a reason' for thier own COMFORT.... and they learn to be happy in their new situation...but ... if that bad event DIDN'T happen then they may have been equally happy, just in a different way.

A friend of mine, lost her husband at a young age... about 5 years later she got married again... she is happy now... but thats not to say if her first husband wa still alive today, she wouldn't be happy either.
 
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"What goes around comes around" is true in my book although
this not really fate, it's more general revenge.:lol: *

As it usually applies to some nasty piece of work who will be a dick one times too many and get their comeuppence.

I don't believe in fate. I've found that the people who believe in fate can't belive their own happiness is down to them or their endeavours. They should pat themsleves on their back and say well done not just say "wasn't i lucky".

And when **** happens it's generally your own fault or some other twat's fault.

And if it's some other twats fault then hopefully rule 1 above* will apply:p

(particularly to those types who pull out of house deals)
 
Beckiboo said:
I think I do believe in it. I do believe that your outcome is more or less decided and no matter what you do or do not do nothing is going to change that.
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I have a similar belief to you Becki. I think that things happen in our life to teach us things and provide us with experiences that we are to have before reaching the 'outcome'.

I also believe that you may not instantly recognise what this lesson has been at the time and that it may take years to become apparent if at all.
 
For example, people who have near death escapes, someone who survives that parachute jump when their chute doesn't open, because a phone wire broke their fall. WHY? Who decides that this person will live, whilst 99.99999% of other people would die.

I just think there's GOT to be something more to it.
 
Yes...absolutely.

But we're not completely passive in our existence either and have to take full responsibility for our actions and choices.

It's called karma. ;)
 
Beckiboo said:
For example, people who have near death escapes, someone who survives that parachute jump when their chute doesn't open, because a phone wire broke their fall. WHY? Who decides that this person will live, whilst 99.99999% of other people would die.

I just think there's GOT to be something more to it.
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i think its because exactly those reasons you mentioned... something broke their fall... they had a mother who made them eat healthy food all the time as a child and therefore are healthier today and got through an accident... those are reason IMO :)
 
Robder said:
Yes...absolutely.

But we're not completely passive in our existence either and have to take full responsibility for our actions and choices.

It's called karma. ;)
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Agreed :) As MarkB mentioned, I do fully believe in fate, but can also recognise that my hard work/negligence can be a cause of something, but there are also incidences where things happen 'out of the blue'.
 
There's a billion different variables in any given outcome and we are passive in regard to some and active in others. Predetermination is bunkum.
 
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