Do we need more techno nights?

Fergi

Fergi

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With today announcement of both Onyx@Space and Materia@Privi we got a staggering amount if Tech-House and Techno night again this year.

What with more EDM creeping into the Cream line-ups is gonna be a poor year for trance which i thought was gonna make a comeback
 
Depends what you would call techno there's so many different sounds and styles in techno these days and more full on techno is harder to come by in Ibiza most of the time
 
Fergi said:
a poor year for trance which i thought was gonna make a comeback
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the year trance *tried* to make a comeback on the island was last year fergie...and it just failed. we had two trance boats (one weekly and another one doing one-offs), then we had cream, connected at privilege, ASOT and also ferry at space. I used to be a big lover of trance and I have full respect for trance fans, but the truth is the following:

trance used to be the entry point to electronic music for many people (albeit not for everyone eh). I'd say that about 80% of all people who started listening electronic music through trance are listening to other electronic music nowadays (house, tech house, techno...the less mainstream sort of stuff). the thing is, with EDM getting that big, it just completely pushed trance out of the pitch and is now the main entry point to electronic music. EDM and 'deep house'. people start listening to this now and after a few years they discover what the more seasoned ravers are calling good music. I'm really not trying to sound snobby here or aloof, but this is what I think is happening.

so...seen from that point of view, to me it's not surprising at all that every year we see more techno and tech house nights popping up. there is just no demand for that many trance nights nowadays. as I said, in 2015 they really tried to bring it back...but the reality is just a different one these days.
 
stivi said:
the year trance *tried* to make a comeback on the island was last year fergie...and it just failed. we had two trance boats (one weekly and another one doing one-offs), then we had cream, connected at privilege, ASOT and also ferry at space. I used to be a big lover of trance and I have full respect for trance fans, but the truth is the following:

trance used to be the entry point to electronic music for many people (albeit not for everyone eh). I'd say that about 80% of all people who started listening electronic music through trance are listening to other electronic music nowadays (house, tech house, techno...the less mainstream sort of stuff). the thing is, with EDM getting that big, it just completely pushed trance out of the pitch and is now the main entry point to electronic music. EDM and 'deep house'. people start listening to this now and after a few years they discover what the more seasoned ravers are calling good music. I'm really not trying to sound snobby here or aloof, but this is what I think is happening.

so...seen from that point of view, to me it's not surprising at all that every year we see more techno and tech house nights popping up. there is just no demand for that many trance nights nowadays. as I said, in 2015 they really tried to bring it back...but the reality is just a different one these days.
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Cheers Stivi

Everything you have says I know already.

I grew up listening to both Trance and Techno. Skipping from PVD and Oakenfold in one tent to try and catch Coxy, Danny Tenaglia, Gaetano Pariso, Timo Maas and the likes in another.

Just sad that even Cream seems to be going down the route of sneaking in more Edm even into the main room. Look at The date for 16th June complete shocking line up.

The Uk does have a relatively healthy scene at the moment with trance so got that at least.
 
I didn't want to come across educative if that's how it appears.

btw, check cream 2013/14 line ups. terrace was full on EDM. only last year they tried to go another route.

I know that in the UK and elsewhere there is a healthy trance scene, but ibiza does seem different.
 
I suppose at the end of the day 'dance' music and how it evolves and develops is not any different really from any other genre. Listen to rock or 'pop' music over the decades and hear how it has changed and developed.

Not saying it's always for the better but styles change.
 
stivi said:
I didn't want to come across educative if that's how it appears.

btw, check cream 2013/14 line ups. terrace was full on EDM. only last year they tried to go another route.

I know that in the UK and elsewhere there is a healthy trance scene, but ibiza does seem different.
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Not at all Stivi didn't come across that way.

I ain't got a problem with lining the whole terrace with Edm as the main room was usually full of quality trance. I have had 3 good years with luck as always book hotels and flights in advance and probably would be happy with some of the other dates.

Main room on 16th June with Emery and Rayel to me are more EDM type artist in addition to Aoki on terrace.
 
Some really good points above. For me, if you look at the Together line-ups (and I know it ain't Trance at all) they are probably more in touch with where a lot of younger people are with music right now.

If you were coming to Ibiza as more of a casual fan of music, those DJs are the type you hear on the radio etc: Gorgon City, MK, Chase & Status, Duke Dumont etc etc. I'm guessing this night will go from strength to stretch and is probably more in touch with modern tastes than Cream is.
 
Even paul van dyk is not pull many people in cream. He started his show @2.00 am half of main room was empty.
 
Stivi made a good point above about trance being an entry point years ago. While I never went to any "Trance" nights when younger, I was clearing out some of my old stuff at my parents a few weekends ago. All of the Ibiza compilation albums I had c.1994-2002 were all trance based, and suppose that was my entry point. As I said, look at the list of "Together" DJs/Acts, and that is probably what fills lot of those albums that the kids buy today.
 
stivi said:
trance used to be the entry point to electronic music for many people (albeit not for everyone eh). I'd say that about 80% of all people who started listening electronic music through trance are listening to other electronic music nowadays (house, tech house, techno...the less mainstream sort of stuff)...
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This resonates with me Stivi as it was exactly where I was introduced into electronic music. Trance was all I listened to for about 3 years between 2006-2008/9 before I branched out into more house-based genres. But I'll still remember downloading mixes from crystal clouds from the likes of Gareth Emery, Super8 & Tab, Aly & Fila etc. and coming into school each day with a new tune I'd found.

IMO, trance hasn't really moved on in the same way as other genres, and it sort of feels like it's best times are behind it. I think it says a lot that Armin has moved more into mainstream EDM recently because trance seems to be there for the old school fans only and the new branch of electronic music followers are starting at EDM and going into house/techno from there.

It's a shame, because trance is such a throwback to the heyday of Ibiza in the 90's, and it petering out almost feels like the island is losing a big part of what makes it Ibiza.
 
mr_why said:
Some really good points above. For me, if you look at the Together line-ups (and I know it ain't Trance at all) they are probably more in touch with where a lot of younger people are with music right now.

If you were coming to Ibiza as more of a casual fan of music, those DJs are the type you hear on the radio etc: Gorgon City, MK, Chase & Status, Duke Dumont etc etc. I'm guessing this night will go from strength to stretch and is probably more in touch with modern tastes than Cream is.
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I agree with you on this defo.
 
some very good techno nights this year and cocoon line ups are great. carola also would have decent lineups with maybe paco and capriati playing the club room.

but missing enter is the bad thing about this year.
 
The popularity of "genres" (hate that word tbh, but its a necessary evil) come and go.

Over the years I have liked under the umbrella of Electronic music "at that moment in time" something like this order.

- New Wave
- Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode..... (not sure now you "genre" that)
- Electro
- Electro/Rap
- Early Chicago House
- House
- UK House
- House (again)
- Main Room House
- Progressive
- Deep House
- Early UK Garage
- Chillout
- Breakbeat
- House (again)
- Funky House (which is really just house)
- Deep House (just prior to popularity)
- Retro House
- Re-edits/disco scene
- Progressive (not the edm shit)
- Techno (lighter stuff thats more on the Prog side)

jezz1838 said:
Depends what you would call techno
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I'm just hoping that "Techno" genre is not heading in the same way as Deep House did a few years ago (and still) with mass produced bollox. I'm sure that can count for a lot of the styles Ive listed above too.
 
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diver said:
The popularity of "genres" (hate that word tbh, but its a necessary evil) come and go.

Over the years I have liked under the umbrella of Electronic music "at that moment in time" something like this order.

- New Wave
- Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode..... (not sure now you "genre" that)
- Electro
- Electro/Rap
- Early Chicago House
- House
- UK House
- House (again)
- Main Room House
- Progressive
- Deep House
- Early UK Garage
- Chillout
- Breakbeat
- House (again)
- Funky House (which is really just house)
- Deep House (just prior to popularity)
- Retro House
- Re-edits/disco scene
- Progressive (not the edm shit)
- Techno (lighter stuff thats more on the Prog side)



I'm just hoping that "Techno" genre is not heading in the same way as Deep House did a few years ago (and still) with mass produced bollox. I'm sure that can count for a lot of the styles Ive listed above too.
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No Euro House/Dance ha:p
 
I forgot Trance (sits between main room house and prog)

Thought this thread may have been more popular?
 
For me the sort of generic Tech house sound has taken over from the sort of fake deep house sound most tracks sound very similar and techno for the most part is still a bit too out there for your run of the mill social clubber
 
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