Dance Music: Where are things at?

The Sun God

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Here's another excellent article by Shawn Reynaldo which might be of interest to some on here, exploring what defines commercial, underground (and the blurry bits in-between) in 2022. He makes a lot of good points about how the sands are shifting, certainly in terms of how we understand club culture today (light years from what I and many others grew up with).

 
There seems to be this endless production line now of what I guess you could call 'house pop'. Landfill 4/4 with whimsical filler vocals and reworded familiar lyrics which all sounds like it was knocked together in 5 minutes by some bored Belgian kid on a laptop. All the bars and chiringuitos (the non-Latin ones) seem to love this stuff. I envy people who can just zone out, whereas it does my head in.
Is that the general sound walking past bars? I’m going to have to do my best not to be the grumpy old bloke or I’ll be back n trouble with my other half. Will have to practice my zoning out skills.
 

Beyoncé and Drake Aren't Reviving Anything​

a.k.a. House music isn't in need of saving, and major labels aren't interested in that anyways.​

Shawn Reynaldo
Jun 28
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Over the weekend, I finished a book called Sellout: The Major-Label Feeding Frenzy That Swept Punk, Emo, and Hardcore (1994–2007). Released last year and written by Dan Ozzi, it spotlights 11 different bands—the likes of Green Day, Blink 182, Jawbreaker, At the Drive-In, Thursday and My Chemical Romance among them—and specifically focuses on each of their major-label debuts. As someone who came of age during this time and spent a fair chunk of the late ’90s at various emo, indie and punk shows—for what it’s worth, I was also going to raves during those years—the book had a certain nostalgic appeal. However, it also provided an interesting look back at the post-Nirvana era, showcasing both the machinations of major labels in search of “the next big thing” and the internal politics of punk rock and independent music, which fractured in the face of giant checks and the sudden interest of the cultural mainstream.

What exactly does this have to do with electronic music? Possibly nothing, but in the wake of Drake’s new Honestly, Nevermind album and the new Beyoncé single “Break My Soul”—both of which borrow from house music—the cultural mainstream is once again rubbing up against a music culture and community that largely exists outside the Top 40 pop landscape. Dance music has been through this before of course—most notably during the “electronica” boom of the late ’90s and the EDM explosion that followed about a decade later—but where past surges often involved a bottom-up push in which new / relatively unknown / “underground” acts were being actively marketed to wider audiences, what’s happening now is a byproduct of literally the biggest artists in the world suddenly dabbling in the genre.

Given the world’s obsession with basically anything Drake and / or Beyoncé does, it’s no surprise that their new releases have prompted a notable uptick of interest in dance music, especially amongst those (critics included) who previously gave the genre little more than a passing thought. Unfortunately, much of the resulting “discourse” has had all the depth of a children’s wading pool, particularly amongst the more American corners of social media, where comparing the Drake and Beyoncé records to the music one hears in the dressing room of an H&M / Forever 21 / (insert chain store of your choice) apparently constitutes both high comedy and insightful analysis. The commentary provided by official music press often hasn’t been much better, and while I’m not inclined to compile all of the dreck here, the list that The Face slapped together of “The Best Pop-House Tracks to Get You Dancing This Summer” feels like a good example of the opportunistic, surface-level and (most importantly) click-friendly content that many outlets have churned out during the past two weeks.

In fairness, paper-thin Drake and Beyoncé articles have been a music media staple for more than a decade. The only difference is that now those articles are referencing dance music, a world that most pop, hip-hop and R&B writers pay the essay writer on https://essaypay.com/ aren’t particularly well versed in. As such, the past week has produced some occasionally cringe-worthy copy, including the following line from that above-referenced piece in The Face: “like it or not, house music is having a massive mainstream moment.” (The italics are theirs.)

That claim may or may not prove correct in the weeks and months ahead, but that hasn’t stopped the media from repeating it over and over in recent days. Here’s a sampling of headlines:
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Wow, this is information! You just did an amazing job very cool to read all this did not even think that people were so fond of music 😀
 
thanks but I didn't write it myself! Shawn Reynaldo is the main man.

re: passion for music. Some of us still care, mad fools that we are. But then again there are people who have exactly the same nerdy obsession with football or cars or food or politics. What's the difference really?

FWIW I think the game is largely up for house music. It's just a lazy pastiche now. The next generation need to find something else altogether and maybe that is TikTok or pronouns or whatever it is that fires them up.
this really is an interesting article.

firstly, I find it strange and actually cringe at how much attention dance music media has given this. Beyonce can release whatever music she wants the same way many artists change their sound and style and try new ideas.

"But even if it does take off, and house music becomes the hottest new trend in pop music"

honestly, dance, if not house, music has already been doing this for over 10 years. electronic music conquered pop music ages ago, which is why Calvin Harris and David Guetta got to be the highest earning musicians in the world.

the main point though about all this is that house music is one thing and anyone can be said to have some involvement in that through a track they've made or whatever. Dance music culture and house music culture is totally different.

it's like imagining saying boyzone revived punk cos they did a punk record. ha!
 
There's still lots of good electronic and dance music being made. The bad stuff is easy to ignore/avoid. I've heard that Beyonce track once (played by Mary Anne Hobbs, of all people). Didn't think it was that bad, though have no real desire to hear it again.

Surely that house pop sound is something that stretches back to the 90s?
 
On a sidenote, I'm surprised a lot of people -including music journalists- refer to Robin S when bringing up Beyonce's latest (s)hit. It's just a 90's synth preset, Korg M1 Organ 2 more specifically. A factory setting indeed

 
I think tech house brought in a slower sound when it got big, but the rise in the 'pop' style house is surely down to people wanting something to feel like they can party to again (regardless of how cheesy. I've just heard a new 'dance' remix of a northern soul classic that made my toes curl)

ANYWAY on a different yet similar note

it feels like tale of us, adriatique etc have been adding in more trancey sounds to their sets. Be interesting to see if there's a move back to the trance sound coming up in the next few years as EDM starts to fade out a bit more

If not, its maybe at least a return to 2000s prog sound?

Wishful thinking probably 😂
 
it feels like tale of us, adriatique etc have been adding in more trancey sounds to their sets. Be interesting to see if there's a move back to the trance sound coming up in the next few years as EDM starts to fade out a bit more

Definitely some truth in this. I know many of gone off some of the Tale Of Us sound, but I absolutely love some of those trance(ish) sounds they bringing into their sets. I don’t think we will end up with big room trance again, but elements definitely morphing back in.

I mean Solomun has Trance Wax as a +1 next week. I mean who knows where his sound will end up in a few years, so could be an interesting B2B.
 
Definitely some truth in this. I know many of gone off some of the Tale Of Us sound, but I absolutely love some of those trance(ish) sounds they bringing into their sets. I don’t think we will end up with big room trance again, but elements definitely morphing back in.

I mean Solomun has Trance Wax as a +1 next week. I mean who knows where his sound will end up in a few years, so could be an interesting B2B.
Yeah when I first tried tale of us a few years ago I found it really dull but it definitely feels like a more uptempo sound at the moment.

I'd never really listened to much adriatique but enjoyed a few of their sets on YouTube from big events this year

It felt like Solomun was the one doing more of that crossover sound but a few others are adding it in as well. I'm all for it.
 
There seems to be this endless production line now of what I guess you could call 'house pop'. Landfill 4/4 with whimsical filler vocals and reworded familiar lyrics which all sounds like it was knocked together in 5 minutes by some bored Belgian kid on a laptop. All the bars and chiringuitos (the non-Latin ones) seem to love this stuff. I envy people who can just zone out, whereas it does my head in.

The reworks just keep on coming...this week we've had David Guetta reinterpret Eiffel 65's Blue and Elton & Britney redo Tiny Dancer both records in a very radio friendly dancey style. All summer there have also been a lot of grime songs with 00s/early10s samples.

Covers are of course nothing new and dance music is a genre based on sampling but it feels more and more the commercial artists are taking the easy route of reheating an old hit up.

Streaming listeners can take a lot of the blame though people have instant access to more music than ever but seem to retreat into cosy holes of listening to lyrics and hooks they already know. Its chicken or egg if its the record labels feeding them it or record labels just giving them what they want.
 
The reworks just keep on coming...this week we've had David Guetta reinterpret Eiffel 65's Blue and Elton & Britney redo Tiny Dancer both records in a very radio friendly dancey style. All summer there have also been a lot of grime songs with 00s/early10s samples.

Covers are of course nothing new and dance music is a genre based on sampling but it feels more and more the commercial artists are taking the easy route of reheating an old hit up.

Streaming listeners can take a lot of the blame though people have instant access to more music than ever but seem to retreat into cosy holes of listening to lyrics and hooks they already know. Its chicken or egg if its the record labels feeding them it or record labels just giving them what they want.

There was the whole 'tropical house' thing that was just breathy tropical versions of 80s pop hits the last few summers.

At least that somewhat dried up 😂

But that new Guetta track is bad, even by his recent standards
 
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