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kimajy said:
As the vaccine doesn't seem to prevent infection, just lead to asymptomatic infection, I am less hopeful. A lot of the people wanting to travel are under 50 and for us in UK there seems to be no likely timeline for getting vaccinated. It seems most likely UK will use up all the stocks it has in sight vaccinating the over-50s, NHS staff, care home workers etc etc I would be surprised if the rest of us get near a vaccine before next Summer.
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In the UK, the plan is to vaccinate NHS staff and over 60s using the Pfizer vaccine by or around Easter. They have 20m doses on order. The hope for the rest of us is the Oxford vaccine. 90m doses are on order. The big challenge in all cases is administering the dose, as well as cold storage.

As I understand it. the EU has 200m doses of the Pfizer vaccine on order. Half of that is attributed for Germany. Not sure why as this exceeds the population by roughly a third.
 
2H76 said:
I think there will be private companies in the UK selling jabs for a wad. OK. if someone wants to jump th queue and they can afford it then fine, BUT it's taking the jab away from a needy soul and pushing everyone back in the queue. So I hope the rule is private jabs for those who HAVE to travel for essential reasons (ie a family funeral abroad, that sort of thing).
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Except it's not taking the jab away from some "needy soul" because the Govt is going to jab them all. After that free market economics should apply.
 
kimajy said:
Except it's not taking the jab away from some "needy soul" because the Govt is going to jab them all. After that free market economics should apply.
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What I was trying to say was that the needy will get their jabs, bit if 1000 go private then the needy will go behind them in the queue. Maybe they could ban the private sale of vaccine until all those 60+ and those with underlying conditions have been done?
 
2H76 said:
What I was trying to say was that the needy will get their jabs, bit if 1000 go private then the needy will go behind them in the queue. Maybe they could ban the private sale of vaccine until all those 60+ and those with underlying conditions have been done?
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Nah the limiting factor will be capacity to deliver the vaccine not supply of doses for that group. You can't expect to crowd out private healthcare over every need that comes along !
 
2H76 said:
Stivi, much as I respect you and love the stuff you post, I ain't forking out £3000+ just because you say it's gonna be alright!! ? ? :eek:?

My own personal feeling is that there will be tourism - most places will have distancing but there will be a heck of a lot of paperwork/testing/vaccinations and all sorts of administration to get through - and still the risk of having to quarantine in ibiza if a test at the airport finds you guilty have covid.

On the plus side, either a ton of peeps will want to travel, or they won't, and if they don't there should be a load of cheap deals and flights to tempt us; so I'm gonna hang on just for that. If July/August is sold out, there's still September and October.
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I understand your doubts, I'm simply voicing my thoughts. 2021 won't be an 'easy' year for both the businesses here as well as for the tourists that wanna travel here. we all will have to take some efforts I think.

Hurr1cane said:
Are there any off season remodels happening to account for COVID? Building more patio space, open air indoor / outdoor spaces, air filtration / ventilation for indoor spaces?
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restaurants are allowed to use more outdoor space than their official outdoor bits. and as mentioned a few days ago, finally the central government has agreed to require a negative pcr test from international travellers from 23rd november onwards...
 
4tothefloor said:
As I understand it. the EU has 200m doses of the Pfizer vaccine on order. Half of that is attributed for Germany. Not sure why as this exceeds the population by roughly a third.
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That would be nice (from my selfish point of view as a German :)), but according to the German press, only 19% is going to Germany. And I understand that two doses are required to vaccinate one person, so the 36-54m doses Germany is going to get (depending on whether the EU executes its option for 100m extra doses), will only be enough for 22-33% of the German population.

Still, it is light at the end of the tunnel - let's hope it is not coming from a locomotive!
 
lcoverdale said:
If mortality rates were around 60% (as was with black death plague) I could understand the desire to get vaccinated for covid, but as it only impacts certain groups of the population badly (albeit there are always exceptions) there is no need to vaccinate 100% of the population. This is what happens with flu vaccine, we all get flu at some point but only the risk groups are offered a vaccine jab to protect them (and even then several thousand still die each year)
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I get the flu vaccine every year and after experiencing Covid first hand I'll happily have the vaccine for that as well
 
tclubber said:
That would be nice (from my selfish point of view as a German :)), but according to the German press, only 19% is going to Germany. And I understand that two doses are required to vaccinate one person, so the 36-54m doses Germany is going to get (depending on whether the EU executes its option for 100m extra doses), will only be enough for 22-33% of the German population.

Still, it is light at the end of the tunnel - let's hope it is not coming from a locomotive!
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I think the 200m includes sufficient dosage to vaccinate 200m people. Interesting conflicting figures about what Germany is getting from the EU deal. I v was curious about why they were getting such a large share. Have they got shares in other emerging vaccines?
 
4tothefloor said:
I think the 200m includes sufficient dosage to vaccinate 200m people. Interesting conflicting figures about what Germany is getting from the EU deal. I v was curious about why they were getting such a large share. Have they got shares in other emerging vaccines?
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I think perhaps they planned to actually vaccinate their adult population in order to restore normality and allow economic recovery, rather than limit their initial sights to the minimum necessary as per certain other countries who would rather squander endless money on furlough rather than fixing the real issues so people can actually get back to work :rolleyes:
 
kimajy said:
I think perhaps they planned to actually vaccinate their adult population in order to restore normality and allow economic recovery, rather than limit their initial sights to the minimum necessary as per certain other countries who would rather squander endless money on furlough rather than fixing the real issues so people can actually get back to work :rolleyes:
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Ha! To be fair, I think the UK are similarly invested in the Oxford vaccine. 90m on order.

there is a danger that the (formerly) weather countries from around the world have access to vaccines while the rest of the world don’t, or at least initially. We could soon see a very two or tier three country order.
 
4tothefloor said:
Ha! To be fair, I think the UK are similarly invested in the Oxford vaccine. 90m on order.

there is a danger that the (formerly) weather countries from around the world have access to vaccines while the rest of the world don’t, or at least initially. We could soon see a very two or tier three country order.
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Indeed. ... but there is nothing very different about that than everything else !
 
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