ibizasunset
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Think I don't like the fact it will go to the people who can afford to pay for it, rather then everyone
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Hally
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Jab me up baby, Ibiza here I comeSo based on that we're not going to get access to a vaccine. That means another year locked up. F*cking great. Should be able to buy your way to one privately eventually but the idea that there'll be a Health card like with YF opening up travel again is most unlikely.
If mortality rates were around 60% (as was with black death plague) I could understand the desire to get vaccinated for covid, but as it only impacts certain groups of the population badly (albeit there are always exceptions) there is no need to vaccinate 100% of the population. This is what happens with flu vaccine, we all get flu at some point but only the risk groups are offered a vaccine jab to protect them (and even then several thousand still die each year)
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ibizasunset
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But there are expectations to this, apparently healthy folk can get hit hard tho, but this is rare i guess. Did hear a theory that it might get to a point where you have to prove you have had the vaccine to go abroad
cunninghamali
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Yeh I could do with a jab, it's been a while??
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ibizasunset
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This is very true, bet they get the employee to pay for it tho
2H76
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Stivi, much as I respect you and love the stuff you post, I ain't forking out £3000+ just because you say it's gonna be alright!! ? ?
?My own personal feeling is that there will be tourism - most places will have distancing but there will be a heck of a lot of paperwork/testing/vaccinations and all sorts of administration to get through - and still the risk of having to quarantine in ibiza if a test at the airport finds you
On the plus side, either a ton of peeps will want to travel, or they won't, and if they don't there should be a load of cheap deals and flights to tempt us; so I'm gonna hang on just for that. If July/August is sold out, there's still September and October.
oh no doubt, but that'd be a way to get it even if you were at the back of the queue
2H76
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I think there will be private companies in the UK selling jabs for a wad. OK. if someone wants to jump th queue and they can afford it then fine, BUT it's taking the jab away from a needy soul and pushing everyone back in the queue. So I hope the rule is private jabs for those who HAVE to travel for essential reasons (ie a family funeral abroad, that sort of thing).
ibizasunset
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Am not sure most companies have that ethical stance some how, when theres money to be made
Are there any off season remodels happening to account for COVID? Building more patio space, open air indoor / outdoor spaces, air filtration / ventilation for indoor spaces?
My parents carers didn't have ppe for months so I can't imagine they are going to jump the queue.
craig72
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Due to the requirements that these vaccines need to be stored at super low temperatures, I think its actually going to be pretty difficult to procure a private supply. Its expected that the distribution is going to have to move large quantities to central locations in order to maximize efficiency so rural locations will be even harder to obtain. Most private physicians or pharmacies do not have the equipment to do this.
I'd imagine its going to be very cost prohibitive to find a dose outside the government planned distribution until next summer.
ibizasunset
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Unfortunately with private companies it comes down to money, it might work out cheaper to get their employees vaccinated, rather then the regular testing in the long run
ibizasunset
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I heard had to be stored at -70 degrees
Pfizer's ultra-cold vaccine, a 'very complex' distribution plan and an exploding head emoji
As Molly Howell, a state health official in North Dakota, watched a webinar on how to distribute what's expected to be the first Covid-19 vaccine, her head began to spin.
Roughly -75C (-105 F) ?. The lowest requirement for a current vaccine in US is -20F, so only highly specialized facilities would have freezers that can manage that. Seems like dry ice is the next best option but that means doses will need to be used very quickly since that only lasts a few days at a time.
I'd like to think that would happen. Not sure that will be the position that will be taken. Care agencies tend to pay minimum wage and have a massive turnover of staff. If they do pay for the vaccine then it's going to be the end user who'll take the financial hit on this.
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2H76
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Around that, yes, although I read that it can be stored safely at much higher temperatures - maybe just ordinary pharmacy fridge temperatures, for the 2 - 3 days before use. On Monday I'll check with my old boss at my former job, I used to work for a pharmacy.
As alluded to above, it is dry ice that will keep thevaccine cold, which shouldn't be necessary once on the way directly to the pharmacy/patient.
If it's any interest, if my quote is right then it should be easy enough to get the vaccine from general stores at -70 to the pharmacy in refrigerated vans and be given to the public within 24 -48 hrs. It's a logistical exercise that's familiar to all, just the scale is massively bigger. Let's face it the vaccine wil need time to warm at the pharmacy to a temperature suitable for injection, injecting a liquid at -70 would be the equivalent of injecting Trump's bleach!!
Pharmacies should also be able to get the vaccine out to someone who is housebound, as their vans also have chilled boxes as a number of medicines out for delivery or shipped between pharmacies have to be kept chilled.
Basically, the key is how long between the vaccine being at -70/75 and injected into a patient? If the vaccine's good at higher temperatures for 24 - 48 hours I can't see an issue. Other than getting it to the UK after Brxit...and that's another ball game.
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