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From what gather, the oxford type vaccines have most effect with 1st dose, 2nd is more of a "top up", so I'd be fine waiting ~3 months.

The biontech type ones (RNA vaccines), the manufacturer says 1st dose has modest affect and its 2nd one that makes it effective. So I am confused why they are proposing delaying those 2nd jabs. ?‍♂️

Also one of the main bottlenecks isn't making the actual vaccine as such, but the bottling it up; there is a world wide shortage of the bottles and components. ?‍♂️
 
Neo95gt said:
Well the under 50 group will be vaccinated as well, and it’s not like all restrictions will drop the moment the 50+ crowd are vaccinated.

Also, we know that asymptomatic spread is not a leading cause of transmission. And some of the data in the AZ trial point to a decent amount of neutralizing immunity. So I don’t think the vaccine is going to stop all transmission, but it’s gonna stop a lot.
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Obviously the vaccine will help on a huge scale. I believe it is still to be determined if and when under 50s will be vaccinated in the U.K.
 
4tothefloor said:
Obviously the vaccine will help on a huge scale. I believe it is still to be determined if and when under 50s will be vaccinated in the U.K.
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Well at this rate, if it's the under 50's being out and about getting covid in their now hundred of thousands, probably due to being parents of kids in school, if having covid = immunity they won't need the jab. 2.5m have already had covid (or currently have it) and in the early days those would have been the elderly, but now I reckon it's much more spread around the young.
Q - has it been decided yet that once bitten, you ARE immune? If so, how long for? and...if you get immune, would that be from the original strain, not the new strain?
 
2H76 said:
Well at this rate, if it's the under 50's being out and about getting covid in their now hundred of thousands, probably due to being parents of kids in school, if having covid = immunity they won't need the jab. 2.5m have already had covid (or currently have it) and in the early days those would have been the elderly, but now I reckon it's much more spread around the young.
Q - has it been decided yet that once bitten, you ARE immune? If so, how long for? and...if you get immune, would that be from the original strain, not the new strain?
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I think that is a stretch. There are tens of millions in the U.K. alone that are under 50 and haven’t had Covid. Antibody testing has made that case. Good question re immunity, I don’t think we know the answer to this yet.
 
2H76 said:
Well at this rate, if it's the under 50's being out and about getting covid in their now hundred of thousands, probably due to being parents of kids in school, if having covid = immunity they won't need the jab. 2.5m have already had covid (or currently have it) and in the early days those would have been the elderly, but now I reckon it's much more spread around the young.
Q - has it been decided yet that once bitten, you ARE immune? If so, how long for? and...if you get immune, would that be from the original strain, not the new strain?
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I was listening to a virologist who said he believed at least 18 months protection (for the overwhelming majority) and from all new strains so far
 
2H76 said:
Well at this rate, if it's the under 50's being out and about getting covid in their now hundred of thousands, probably due to being parents of kids in school, if having covid = immunity they won't need the jab. 2.5m have already had covid (or currently have it) and in the early days those would have been the elderly, but now I reckon it's much more spread around the young.
Q - has it been decided yet that once bitten, you ARE immune? If so, how long for? and...if you get immune, would that be from the original strain, not the new strain?
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I believe the latest studies say you should be immune for AT LEAST 8 months. It will probably be at least a year and some experts think it will last several years, like they think SARS lasts. Immunity is not guaranteed though, there are a few cases of reinfections. But it’s very very rare.
 
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djedwardsmith said:
I guess my scepticism is more so based around how they messed up the trial without realising, and stumbled across a more effective method through an error.
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Welcome to science mate. I posted before a while ago, the most exciting thing you can hear in a lab isn't "my prediction was correct", it's "ooooh, that's interesting!"

Please let's not follow the route that we're second guessing scientists because of the flaws of politicians.

You should never trust one set, but always trust the other
 
diver said:
Not as easy to say if you have one daughter at college whose already lost a whole year of being 18, lost a part time job....Another one who pays £16000 a year tuition fees and £800 a month accommodation plus living costs with very limited chances of getting a job come August ?
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What’s she doing for £16k/yr? Masters/PhD?
 
diver said:
Not as easy to say if you have one daughter at college whose already lost a whole year of being 18, lost a part time job....Another one who pays £16000 a year tuition fees and £800 a month accommodation plus living costs with very limited chances of getting a job come August ?
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Yeah I get what you mean. Imho should get a rebate on fees etc, although not a lot you can do about the lost year or so ?

My main point those was even though most in tier 4 with some in tier 3, it's still running rampant as the new strain is very infectious to younger people and so spreads more between them compared to the "original" strain.

So how many house holds have school/college age kids who are going into a high transmission environment, then to bring it home?

On top of that so many schools/colleges will have lots of pupils and staff off from isolating that I means their education is a mess anyhow.

Don't think there is an easy answer, but if we are putting everyone into effectively lockdown to reduce transmission, but sending kids to school where there is high chance of picking it up and taking it home makes little sense to me?‍♂️
 
Definitely no easy answers as said, we know schools are high for transmissions.

But it boils down to what's essential and what's not... And for me schools are essential.
 
soha said:
Definitely no easy answers as said, we know schools are high for transmissions.

But it boils down to what's essential and what's not... And for me schools are essential.
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Looks like gov is closing all schools in london for 2 weeks. Makes sense as hospitals at breaking point down there. (And not enough staff for them, never mind nightingales & doing a mass vaccination program ?‍♂️)
 
MrHullMysterious said:
Looks like gov is closing all schools in london for 2 weeks. Makes sense as hospitals at breaking point down there. (And not enough staff for them, never mind nightingales & doing a mass vaccination program ?‍♂️)
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Yes, now includes primaries there, so everyone's been given a whopping 48 hours notice to organise virtual learning and someoen to look after the kids at home. This notice could have been given 14 days ago.
Fukwits.
 
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