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trying to be optimistic to the fact travel as we know it may not resume till the second round of jabs. hoping that isn't the case ? that would suck the big one indeed
 
It must be true 'coz I read it in the Daily Fail .... but joking aside, what an ill thought through debacle. There is almost no doubt that anti-immigration sentiments and pre-Brexit uncertainties meant potential EU-sourced staffing was just not there (on either supply or demand side, or both) and this is the real reason behind these facilities not being used.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Only 28 Covid patients treated in £220million Nightingale hospitals

Department of Health statistics also revealed three Nightingales - Bristol, Manchester and Harrogate - are still yet to receive their first Covid-19 patients. The hospitals cost £220million to build.
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kimajy said:
It must be true 'coz I read it in the Daily Fail .... but joking aside, what an ill thought through debacle. There is almost no doubt that anti-immigration sentiments and pre-Brexit uncertainties meant potential EU-sourced staffing was just not there (on either supply or demand side, or both) and this is the real reason behind these facilities not being used.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Only 28 Covid patients treated in £220million Nightingale hospitals

Department of Health statistics also revealed three Nightingales - Bristol, Manchester and Harrogate - are still yet to receive their first Covid-19 patients. The hospitals cost £220million to build.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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There was a real drop off of nurses coming from Europe as soon as we voted out but even with those missing nurses the Nightingales would never have been staffed (not in a remotely safe way).

With ambulances queueing for hours and us desperate for beds we closed an overflow ward at the week because there are no staff. Dangerous staffing on wards. My fear is the nightmare scenario we feared in the first wave is about to happen. That 40,000 in a day is going to be a tsunami of people through the door in a couple of weeks. Staff exhausted and we have months of this. Grim
 
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here's one last corona update for the balearics in the old year.

mallorca looks pretty bad regarding cases (and hospitalisations/ICU) right now (14d incidence is at 600) and it's likely restrictions will tighten further there at some point.

formentera also had a spike and since the number of inhabitants is very low, the incidence per 100k inhabitants is also really high right now. but I believe in formentera they'll have it under control pretty soon again.

menorca and ibiza look a bit better - 14d incidence is at 130 respectively 140, but also rising a little again after it had gone below 100 in ibiza in the weeks before xmas.

as everywhere in europe, it's a tricky winter as expected. and lots of people expect the worst to come in a few weeks after all the xmas and NYE/NYD reunions. the good news is, here on ibiza (as well as on the other balearic islands), vaccination (the pfizer one) starts tomorrow https://www.noudiari.es/2020/12/la-...manana-tras-el-retraso-en-el-envio-de-pfizer/

generally in spain, the government's target is to reach 60% vaccination rate (of entire population) by the middle of the summer - let's see if that's realistic. I for one hope that, as more and more elderly/vulnerable get vaccinated in the coming months, the hospitalisation/ICU/mortality rate will go down towards springtime and that then, bit by bit the restrictions will get lifted and that we get back to some sort of normalcy in the second half of 2021.

this has been the most active thread this year unsurprisingly. we've discussed, we've had keyboard fights and I'm sure it's been frustrating for everyone. let's really hope the vaccines work and that in a few months the gossip and later the review threads take priority of the forums again - fingers crossed. I for one can't wait to start talking about something else soon!
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I'm looking forward to posting a picture of me in my roof top hot tub with a cocktail in hand and never writing in this thread again

Until then its helped me massively and I fear will need to a few months longer

On a positive note feeling 100%, back training hard and resting pulse down from the 90s to the 60s which is a huge relief
 
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kimajy said:
Mate, it isn't "normal flu" for those not at risk of dying from it. Long Covid incidence is probably 10pc and that's crazy high.
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Even at 10% risk of long term effects id still not be concerned about catching it in all honesty.

Life is for living and we can't carry on with this hiding away, not getting medical checkups for other issues and not having social contact lifestyle. But of course everyone has different views on their health and the risks they take.
 
Digital2013 said:
Even at 10% risk of long term effects id still not be concerned about catching it in all honesty.

Life is for living and we can't carry on with this hiding away, not getting medical checkups for other issues and not having social contact lifestyle. But of course everyone has different views on their health and the risks they take.
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First hand experience- the long term effects are f***ing rubbish
 
eclipse15 said:
First hand experience- the long term effects are f***ing rubbish
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I take on board what you are saying, nothing beats first hand accounts of how it really is.

Even if we get back to that 'go to the pub/restaurant in small groups and leave early' era it would be a big boost for me. For me the risks of long-Covid would have to be balanced with the other risks to my mental health, lack of excercise etc
 
Digital2013 said:
Even at 10% risk of long term effects id still not be concerned about catching it in all honesty.

Life is for living and we can't carry on with this hiding away, not getting medical checkups for other issues and not having social contact lifestyle. But of course everyone has different views on their health and the risks they take.
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No-one is stopping you trying to get a medical check-up. If you can't get a medical check-up, ask yourself why...

I work in intensive care. Our beds are full, and more Covid patients are arriving | NHS | The Guardian
 
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Johnny Vodka said:
No-one is stopping you trying to get a medical check-up. If you can't get a medical check-up, ask yourself why...
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If I felt a health issue was only minor then I wouldent want to burden the NHS right now, nor would I want to sit in a waiting room where the risk of getting Covid would be higher than staying home. I doubt I'm the only one feeling that way.

Sadly I think we will find a lot of health problems are going undetected. I know someone who found out they had mouth cancer because their Dentist spotted something unusual during a routine checkup for example. I bet thousands haven't seen their Dentist for months due to cancellations and backlog from the first lockdown and now just not wanting to go, forgetting to rebook a checkup etc
 
Digital2013 said:
If I felt a health issue was only minor then I wouldent want to burden the NHS right now, nor would I want to sit in a waiting room where the risk of getting Covid would be higher than staying home. I doubt I'm the only one feeling that way.

Sadly I think we will find a lot of health problems are going undetected. I know someone who found out they had mouth cancer because their Dentist spotted something unusual during a routine checkup for example. I bet thousands haven't seen their Dentist for months due to cancellations and backlog from the first lockdown and now just not wanting to go, forgetting to rebook a checkup etc
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Yup & the only way to keep the NHS open for other appointments is for the public to follow covid restrictions to reduce the number of covid patients hitting hospitals.

I don't know what the answer is with dentists. I've not been in over a year now. Any slow down in appointments will be due to covid measures, which are entirely understandable IMO.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Yup & the only way to keep the NHS open for other appointments is for the public to follow covid restrictions to reduce the number of covid patients hitting hospitals.

I don't know what the answer is with dentists. I've not been in over a year now. Any slow down in appointments will be due to covid measures, which are entirely understandable IMO.
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I am fully complying with the Covid rules, discussion may have got a bit muddled because it drifted onto how we would feel/act when all the elderly & sick have been vaccinated.

For me at that point im happy to return to 'normal life' and accept that that there's a small risk I may get Covid and then get long-Civid effects, as for me the mental health benefits of seeing people are a risk worth taking.

Others may want to stay locked away longer until they themselves have been vaccinated, or we know more about the long term effects etc, everyone has different levels of what risks they take.
 
Digital2013 said:
I am fully complying with the Covid rules, discussion may have got a bit muddled because it drifted onto how we would feel/act when all the elderly & sick have been vaccinated.

For me at that point im happy to return to 'normal life' and accept that that there's a small risk I may get Covid and then get long-Civid effects, as for me the mental health benefits of seeing people are a risk worth taking.

Others may want to stay locked away longer until they themselves have been vaccinated, or we know more about the long term effects etc, everyone has different levels of what risks they take.
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appreciate the risk to you, but what about passing it on to others who you may, or may not know ?
 
kimajy said:
Not sure it'll be much more use than a flu jab - efficacy rates are way lower than Pfizer /Moderna. I'd be a lot happier if I saw more info on whether it prevents long Covid before getting excited about Oxford.
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Not sure that’s true, flu jab is around 60/70% depending on the specific variant for the year, whereas Oxford is up to 90% when the second dose is a half dose as per the Lancet

www.independent.co.uk

Oxford Covid vaccine is safe and up to 90% effective, new analysis confirms

No cases of hospitalisation or severe disease reported among volunteers who received jab
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