☣ Coronavirus ☣

Status
Not open for further replies.
ElrowLovers said:
Ok. Let's be a responsible citizen forever and keep everything closed until no one dies anymore.
Click to expand...
Try reading the rest of the post and the thread. It’s about managing risk. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Society in 2020 simply has to be better than accepting the consequences that you advocate. Going to a party is worth the death of someone else is what you are saying. Actually no it’s not, Just don’t f***ing do it and deal with it.
 
Last edited:
It's also worth remembering that by ignoring the rules and keeping the R rate higher than it needs be, this behaviour pushes the situation further down the road - which includes the return of clubbing and festivals
 
ElrowLovers said:
It's a virus that kills really old people. So we should do everything to protect the really old people.
That's not what we've been doing for months now. We've been shutting everything down and locking the young people up. And on top of that...we're still letting those two age groups mix. It's doing more harm than good.
Click to expand...

You keep saying this and you keep ignoring everybody telling you that it simply will not work

If it did, trust me we would have had communities of 80+ people living in harmony with each other for decades
 
Johnny Vodka said:
We could put all the old folk on an island, I suppose.
Click to expand...
I know it's meant sarcastic...but really, what if it would help them AND you could keep the economy (and with that, other healthcare) going?

What I'm saying with that is, no country (perhaps Sweden and Denmark in a sense) has even tried to really protect the vulnerable group.

Just read an excellent interview with a Danish professor who says we have become to adjusted to good healthcare and keeping older people alive at all costs. Life expectancy has gone up with 10 years. It's not sustanaible in the long term. There will be changes to live expectancy because of viruses etc. Old people die. For all kinds of reasons. We should learn to accept that.
 
Last edited:
white_isle_calling said:
Yep, halcyon days back when we could drop dead in our 40s and 50s. Miss those days
Click to expand...
Not saying it's something we should want.
It's something that this professor is saying is not realistic to think we can hold up this life expectancy for ages. There will always be changes to it. Is it realistic to try and fight that by locking down societies?

Also...no one is dropping dead in their 40s or 50s from Covid.
 
white_isle_calling said:
Yep, halcyon days back when we could drop dead in our 40s and 50s. Miss those days
Click to expand...
Heck, I'm in trouble then! ?

Also remember natural herd immunity is looking impossible as natural infections only seem to produce antibodies that last for approx 3 months. (That would be sterilising immunity)

The vaccines produce a stronger and more consistent response, but might need a booster every 6 months. Guess that would be same for seasonal flu if it was all year and not seasonal ?‍♂️

Google for the info, too lazy to copy and paste today lol
 
ElrowLovers said:
I know it's meant sarcastic...but really, what if it would help and you could keep the economy (and with that, other healthcare) going?

What I'm saying with that is, no country (perhaps Sweden and Denmark in a sense) has even tried to really protect the vulnerable group.

Just read an excellent interview with a Danish professor who says we have become to adjusted to good healthcare and keeping older people alive at all costs. Life expectancy has gone up with 10 years. It's not sustanaible in the long term. There will be changes to live expectancy because of viruses etc. Old people die. For all kinds of reasons. We should learn to accept that.
Click to expand...
Was this Danish professor in cahoots with Dr Harold Shipman?
 
The most vulnerable; ie the elderly in care homes with pre-existing conditions, they are hardly likely to go out and find covid, it really has to come to them. That will be via carers, their own family from outside, and odd stuff like delivery drivers, workmen etc. Second rung down will be the elderly in their own homes, relying on carers coming in etc.
If we could somehow put a bubble round all of them, PPE, testing carers and their visitors (daily if need be) maybe the rest of us could have a more normal life?
The folks I refer to won't be getting out and about, they aren't well enough (or capable enough) so "locking them inside" isn't such an issue. My old girl could only get out when wheeled into her specialist car, and when in a cafe (for example) she had a large area to herself due to her wheelchair and table room, that was pre-covid but everyone was well away from her. Save from when everyone decided it was hugs time!
So then we move to the next category, the elderly who are self-sufficient, can move about (drive, on the bus etc) but might be as vulnerable as the first two groups. Nope, I don't have an answer either.
 
white_isle_calling said:
You tread a dangerous path. How long until 'it's unrealistic or unworthy' to treat late stage cancer? Or to bother investing in groundbreaking medicine

The point is, we can save lives. And we can with covid too
Click to expand...
It's dangerous to pull people posts out of perspective. It was not about cancer or medicines.

Yeah we can save lives. At what costs? Other younger lives? Because right now...that's what's happening.
Research has pointed out that losing your job, being poor, needing psych and/or financial support etc reduces your life expectancy with 10 years. Not even talking about suicides or postponed healthcare issues because of Covid. So we're extending the lives of elderly people with a few years to cut back the lives of healthy young people with 10?
 
there's an army of people who work in care or support roles of some kind - not just doing the cleaning or wiping arses but the less documented stuff, providing emotional support, walking the dog, reading the paper out loud, playing dominoes, sharing photos... Very often, the people doing all that live well away in the rest of society. It isn't practical for everyone to remain cocooned with the elderly in private accommodation , which is why the idea of siphoning people off is not just immoral but unrealistic too.
 
Tourist said:
there's an army of people who work in care or support roles of some kind - not just doing the cleaning or wiping arses but the less documented stuff, providing emotional support, walking the dog, reading the paper out loud, playing dominoes, sharing photos... Very often, the people doing all that live well away in the rest of society. It isn't practical for everyone to remain cocooned with the elderly in private accommodation , which is why the idea of siphoning people off is not just immoral but unrealistic too.
Click to expand...
I agree it might be really hard to realize. Unrealistic...maybe, but we haven't even tried.
But immoral? I fail to see how actually protecting the group that is vulnerable to this virus is immoral.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
We could put all the old folk on an island, I suppose.
Click to expand...

Waaaaaay ahead of you. Why do you think Trump was trying to buy Greenland in fall of 2019?

www.wsj.com

President Trump Eyes a New Real-Estate Purchase: Greenland

The idea of the U.S. acquiring Greenland has captured the president’s imagination, according to people familiar with the discussions, who said he has repeatedly expressed interest in the notion.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

I would join the old folks brigade if the island was Ibiza. As fittest man on island, I would could finally start my career as a podium dancer at Pacha.
 
CasaNegron said:
Waaaaaay ahead of you. Why do you think Trump was trying to buy Greenland in fall of 2019?

www.wsj.com

President Trump Eyes a New Real-Estate Purchase: Greenland

The idea of the U.S. acquiring Greenland has captured the president’s imagination, according to people familiar with the discussions, who said he has repeatedly expressed interest in the notion.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

I would join the old folks brigade if the island was Ibiza. As fittest man on island, I would could finally start my career as a podium dancer at Pacha.
Click to expand...
Can I be a bunnygirl? I've got the ears already.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top