☣ Coronavirus ☣

[Hally]

But there is no medical personnel cause when there's one of one department coughing or sneezing they all have to get tested (still PCR) and sometimes a whole team is quarantined for 10-14 days. So there is no medical personnel because of our own rules. We have room and beds but no nurses and doctors.

Sneezing??? ?????

Why is the whole team quarantined for 10-14 days? Because they are all positive?? I'd seriously question youre PPE and infection control if thats the case ?

If you're saying that if one person is positive everyone in a department in a hospital all have to isolate for 10 days please show evidence as that is utter madness. When all the patients have it why would we go off if a member of staff does??

Or is it your false positives again?

Total nonsense.

 

[craig72]

I don't know if I can do another 30+

 

[Hally]

We have hardly any staff off with Covid in the UK's, and probably Europe's, biggest Trust. We only did late March and early April. Very few got positive for antibodies, PPE works.

We routinely test asymptomatic staff every week. Very small numbers positive, where are all Elrows false positives?

I get the economic arguement but the nonsense smokescreens around it do my head in. False positives arent happening in significant numbers, you cant shield the elderly, no country I'm aware of has even tried, because it's not possible. Societies arent set up to do this and old people need care

More social contact, more transmission, more death. No conspiracy, not very exciting, a bit grim but we're stuck with it

 

[CasaNegron]

I trust the numbers, Canary Islands simply have less virus cases. They also have way less Covid deaths per million people than Spain overall (120 vs. 735). And deaths cannot be easily hidden by doing less testing.

I wouldn't be too much concerned about the covid incidence rate as a tourist anyway, because the virus mostly spreads among the local population. And let's face it, as a tourist, you have very little interaction with the locals. You don't go to indoor parties/family meets with the locals, your kids don't go to school with them, you don't go to work with them. Just avoid being indoors with many other people (not difficult in the Canaries even in winter), I think you should be fine then.

Interesting, as the canaries have 2x the population of the Balearics. Both a a set of island chains, and also opened for tourism during the summer. It would be very enlightening to understand the difference and reasons behind the variances.

 

[tclubber]

Interesting, as the canaries have 2x the population of the Balearics. Both a a set of island chains, and also opened for tourism during the summer. It would be very enlightening to understand the difference and reasons behind the variances.

The Balearics are also doing much better than the rest of Spain. The Balearics have around 60 new cases/100.000 people/week, the Canaries have I think 35, Spain overall has a whopping 223.

 

[4tothefloor]

simply hope that the medical staff don't have the virus??

Tbf, that does seem to be the UK NHS strategy! Fortunately the PPE appears to be proving very effective.

 

[Hurr1cane]

We haven't even tried really protecting the elderly and vulnerable group and keeping the economy going...we are just trying the same NOT WORKING solution again.

That's because its not possible. I'll reference the US since I am most familiar with the statistics here -- but its estimated 25% of the population is at increased risk for severe disease due age, pre-existing conditions, immunocompromised, etc. Add to that anyone who lives with a member of that 25% (parent, spouse, caregiver, etc) who cannot risk bringing the virus home.

Remove children who cannot yet work, college students, stay at home parents, etc. You should also consider that senior leaders like corporate executives, military commands, and politicians or skilled professionals like doctors, engineers, architects, etc are more likely to be in at risk groups due to age.

It becomes clear quite quickly that what remains is not enough to support a normal economy, and we haven't even discussed local vs domestic vs global economies yet... Your idea might allow your local pub to open but its not going to magically make the cargo start flowing through Rotterdam.

 

[NickyT]

So the Italians sang opera from their balconies during lockdown.. The pre firebreak revelry here in Cardiff last night was loads of people gathered outside Greggs in the city centre at 10.30pm belting out Oasis songs

 

[W_I_C]

Oasis, that celebrated Welsh band ?

 

[chez]

last night there was flights for as little as 18 pound (flying from out of south) to Lanzarote for next month and 28 from Liverpool for next month similar prices for Tenerife.. checked again this morning and they have shot up.. should of jumped on it when had the chance to bag some winter sun bargains

will still try head out for a week but now the prices have risen might as well wait till last minute and not risk it being pulled as quick as Portugal did

 

[The Sun God]

I truly feel public uprising is the only way out...

keep on truckin' man. power to the people.

(i'll invoice you for my mother's funeral costs)

 

[craig72]

keep on truckin' man. power to the people.

(i'll invoice you for my mother's funeral costs)

??

 

[framch30]

Interesting read from way back in 2007 in the New York times, "Faith in quick test leads to epidemic that wasn't"

Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t (Published 2007)

Experts say tests that led to a false alarm at a New Hampshire hospital are coming into increasing use.

www.nytimes.com

Also this podcast featuring Michael Yeadon is well worth a listen,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1319134428795424769

Dr Mike Yeadon

Please contribute to the Delingpod - either at Subscribestar or Patreon: https://www.subscribestar.com/jamesdelingpole https://www.patreon.com/jamesdelingpole Dr Mike Yeadon has a degree in biochemistry and toxicology, a research-based PhD in respiratory pharmacology, has spent over 30 years...

www.podbean.com

he's written several articles too which I'd also recommend having a squint at.

 

[Kline]

So, considering whether to take the family to Tenerife for Xmas, if the 'non-essential travel' advice is lifted and normal travel insurance is therefore available. Can anyone who has spent more time looking at this comment on their much lower cases per million people? Less testing, more testing? Is the relevant metric actually active cases as a % of the population?

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I will go there in December. Think they are up to 16k cases which is nothing for all of the islands. Close to a million population including tourists. I mean Spain alone is over 1 million cases. Not sure how it work for you since you are out of the EU? With healthcare and all that. Their numbers i think are true and healthcare is good over there.

 

[BenH]

I agree

The difference with march/april is...we had a whole freaking summer to prepare in terms of staff, emergency hospitals etc.
We did nothing. Not national, not in EU cooperation.
Now the same sectors must suffer again with the same solution that didn't work. Lockdowns is just stalling and postponing death rates.

I think it's crazy that most people here don't agree with this logic:
You have a risk group (let's say 80+ or people with underlying conditions) and you have a non-risk group.
If you keep mixing those groups up in between lockdowns...wouldn't you agree it's just postponing the inevitable?
Really dividing those groups until there's a vaccin for that risk group (1% of society) is way more logical and less damaging for the far larger non-risk group (99%).

with some of your logic mate. Don’t agree with everything you say but there are far more qualified folk than you banging the same drum!

 

[kimajy]

let the young build up herd immunity.

There is no evidence herd immunity is even a long term option. Long Covid in younger people is also being brushed under the carpet, but is increasingly becoming an issue it seems. Until such time as the reasons for that are better understood, throwing young people in together to catch a highly contageous airborne disease on the basis that they likely won't actually die from it is basically irresponsible.

 

[framch30]

Long Covid in younger people is also being brushed under the carpet, but is increasingly becoming an issue

Prolonged after effects after a viral infection isn’t a new phenomenon from what I’m gathering / trying to educate myself on. Chronic fatigue syndrome is what I’ve heard it referred to, instances of it taking people an extended amount of time to fully recovery from flu, pneumonia, viral infections etc

 

[chez]

for anyone thinking of booking a winter break to the Canaries there will be mandatory covid tests on arrival at the hotel, hotel receptions will be set up for testing as they deemed it wasn't the right move testing at the airport.. bit of a bummer as we were getting behind the idea of a winter break but not risking going into a two week isolation abroad just not worth the risk

we then thought a naughty trip to Berlin could be on the cards but seen you have to isolate on arrival for 2 weeks now too, seriously this year is becoming all the more difficult

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Prolonged after effects after a viral infection isn’t a new phenomenon from what I’m gathering / trying to educate myself on. Chronic fatigue syndrome is what I’ve heard it referred to, instances of it taking people an extended amount of time to fully recovery from flu, pneumonia, viral infections etc

True although covid seems to be worse as the ACE2 receptor it uses to enter cells is found throughout the body, which is one reason there are some "weird" side effects becoming apparent.

high level article explaining some of it:

Covid: Why is coronavirus such a threat?

Why does the biology of coronavirus mean it poses such a threat to human life?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[stivi]

for anyone thinking of booking a winter break to the Canaries there will be mandatory covid tests on arrival at the hotel, hotel receptions will be set up for testing as they deemed it wasn't the right move testing at the airport.. bit of a bummer as we were getting behind the idea of a winter break but not risking going into a two week isolation abroad just not worth the risk

we then thought a naughty trip to Berlin could be on the cards but seen you have to isolate on arrival for 2 weeks now too, seriously this year is becoming all the more difficult

I understand the testing bit doesn't excite you, but after this summer you should also understand testing is currently the only way for a tourist destination to exist in a safe way.

I might be wrong with what I say now, but I think the vast majority of european summer holiday destinations will implement a testing strategy for 2021. I doubt enough people will be vaccinated by may next year and so I feel we have to get comfy with the fact that testing will be a compulsory part of any travel plans throughout next year. I'm hoping 2022 will be a more normal year again then