Browny
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It is??
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It is??
FlatErik
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lets hope it is! ?
cunninghamali
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Yes we have a new normal for at least a year!
Social distancing, small gathering at bars and clubs when they open..
Social distancing will be hard as we are not used to this, meeting friends and not being able to hug them
Social distancing, small gathering at bars and clubs when they open..
Social distancing will be hard as we are not used to this, meeting friends and not being able to hug them
mr_why
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Another day another new model from some academic wanting publicity. Just follow the actuals not the “predictions”.
Now just to share something with y'all that I'm truly scared of. Even more scared of than the virus itself.
The dutch government just held a press conference. Our prime minster talked about the possible lockdown exit-strategies but he mentioned we are not going "back to the old normal" and that we have to get used to 1.5 meters distance from other people as "the new normal".
Now...I don't want the 1.5 (or 2 meters in other countries) to become "the new normal". The essence of life is not surviving alone. The essence of life is being in touch with other people, celebrating life, happy moments, a high five on the dance floor with a total stranger, a hug, a kiss, a handshake.
Until there is a vaccine, an effective therapeutic treatment, or herd immunity, social distancing is the only effective tool we have. I have not seen a single exit strategy that experts would consider viable and does not include any social distancing.
I would expect to see things like mask wearing in public, bans on large gatherings, and maintaining distance to continue once society re-opens. You might be able to sit at a table at a restaurant with someone at less than 2m, but the tables will be further apart to keep overall capacity down. I think enforcement likely will become less strict as far as issuing fines because people will naturally try to bend the rules and enforcing them too hard will break the peace.
I actually find the comment that this will be like the flu to be an optimistic statement. Even the president of the United States didn't know ~20,000 people die of the flu annually in America. We have reached an equilibrium where there is constant evolution of vaccines, rapid and widespread testing, a treatment that can reduce the severity and length of the illness if administered early, and government monitoring and reporting of flu hot spots. Even when we get a new bad flu strain (Avian Flu, Swine Flu, etc) it never gets to the level we are at now and the scientific community has the knowledge and infrastructure in place to respond rapidly.
Additionally, we will have the societal memory to respond. Do you know why the SE Asia countries have done so well compared to the rest of the world? Its because they have the experience with SARS / MERS / flu strains that they were able to activate for this virus, and their people know how they should react.
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LuckyBlueSuit
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Until Infection levels are reduced to where they were at the turn of the year and massively increase testing, there isn’t a cat in hells chance of anything operating remotely like it did pre lockdown. Nowhere is getting opened up for months in Western Europe. If we don’t retain social distancing, retain the lockdown, get millions tested and reduce infection rates to where they were at the start of the year, we will find ourselves in a constant cycle of open society and lockdown. There is no chance of open borders to enable foreign travel happening for months. It’s taken weeks to get to where we are and we are not near the peak yet. The peak then needs flattening. Then it needs reducing. Then it needs eradicating. Testing and lockdown remains central to solving this problem in the medium term. In the long term a Vaccine is required.
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LuckyBlueSuit
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This. Should have read your post before contributing.
G.W.
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Healthy “not a risk” individuals have died from this beast, like someone mentioned before it would be like playing Russian roulette and I for one wouldn’t like to take the chance. Best concentrate in making all the best to protect myself and others from catching and spreading it.
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LuckyBlueSuit
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How is this different to anywhere else in the western world?
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LuckyBlueSuit
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This hasnt changed to my knowledge
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LuckyBlueSuit
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Absolutely. There is a lot of crap being spoken on here. There are many things we don’t know about this virus. But we don’t need to look too far around the corner to realise we are still in the early stages of this. Talk of June and July foreign holidays is cloud cuckoo land stuff. It’s taken months to not yet reach the peak so we have that to come, then it needs almost eradicating before we can start to live anything like normal lives again otherwise we will be back to square one. A lot of head sanding still going on. I mean this in the nicest way, there are a few people here that will would benefit from managing expectations or they are in for a lot of disappointment this year. Anyway, I’m off to try and stay alive. The holiday can wait.
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LuckyBlueSuit
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Ah. I get you now. ?Im not a Brit. "We" was referencing humanity
ibizageeer69
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lol ?
FlatErik
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Has Sweden Found the Right Solution to the Coronavirus? | National Review
Unlike other countries, it has so far avoided both isolation and economic ruin.
www.nationalreview.com
Worth a read, published 2 days ago.
And then if you add this to the mix...IF those numbers are representative....
Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate
New evidence has emerged from China indicating that the large majority of coronavirus infections do not result in symptoms. Chinese authorities began publishing daily figures on 1 April on the number of new coronavirus cases that are asymptomatic, with the first day’s figures suggesting that...
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stivi
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Has Sweden Found the Right Solution to the Coronavirus? | National Review
Unlike other countries, it has so far avoided both isolation and economic ruin.
Worth a read, published 2 days ago.
And then if you add this to the mix...IF those numbers are representative....
Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate
New evidence has emerged from China indicating that the large majority of coronavirus infections do not result in symptoms. Chinese authorities began publishing daily figures on 1 April on the number of new coronavirus cases that are asymptomatic, with the first day’s figures suggesting that...www.bmj.com
LOL at that first newspiece. it compares sweden to switzerland and literally says 'a similar small country'. sweden is 11 times bigger than switzerland, but only has 1.5M more inhabitants (10M compared to 8.5M). thus the population density in switzerland is far bigger and therefore I'm not surprised at all that there are more cases than in sweden. that's just an outrageously bad comparison IMO.
sorry, but first that russian page you quoted last week and now this...I do consider your views, but the sources you post from - no way josé.
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