Come on CSKA!

Morbyd said:
Just because you had more possesion does not make you the better team. That's how CSKA plays. They have a great defense with wunderkind 19-year old goalkeeper Akeinfeev, veteran defender Ignashevich and the twin tower Berezutsky brothers, so they let the other team have possesion and hit back on the counter.

Liverpool did not play "better". CSKA played the same way they did all the way to the UEFA cup and looked Liver's equal. Cisse (great player, by the way) got a cheap goal that shouldn't have counted. End of story.

dear god, you obviously know nothing about football. liverpool controlled the pace and tempo of the game, it would have been a hammering had "liver" as you call them had their finishing on game. liverpool are a counter attacking team usually, absorbing pressure then counter attacking with pace, cska didnt show any of that, they are a very poor side. obviously liverpool played better as they controlled the game. you are bitter, but have to accept liverpool were the better side, even though playing very poorly and not possessing a cutting edge.
 
Morbyd, you told in another post you're an American living in Moscow, didn't you? It's curious to see an American so much into 'soccer'. Nice! ;) :D

BTW, sorry about your defeat.

Liverpool got it!, with a little help of their own Spanish Armada. :!: ;)
 
alex311279 said:
dear god, you obviously know nothing about football. liverpool controlled the pace and tempo of the game, it would have been a hammering had "liver" as you call them had their finishing on game. liverpool are a counter attacking team usually, absorbing pressure then counter attacking with pace, cska didnt show any of that, they are a very poor side. obviously liverpool played better as they controlled the game. you are bitter, but have to accept liverpool were the better side, even though playing very poorly and not possessing a cutting edge.
Another Brit telling an American that he knows nothing about football. How original :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes, Liver controlled the game and had tons of chances, but Luis Garcia is a crap finisher. But I'm telling you that this is how CSKA plays in Europe. They let the other team attack, attack, attack, they defend very well, and then hit on the counter with players like Carvalho. They beat teams like Benfica, etc. to win the UEFA Cup that way.

If you think they are a poor side, then you obviously know little about football. :roll:

And whatever the case, take away Cisse's handball and CSKA wins. You can not dispute that. FACT.
 
Morbyd said:
Another Brit telling an American that he knows nothing about football. How original :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes, Liver controlled the game and had tons of chances, but Luis Garcia is a crap finisher. But I'm telling you that this is how CSKA plays in Europe. They let the other team attack, attack, attack, they defend very well, and then hit on the counter with players like Carvalho. They beat teams like Benfica, etc. to win the UEFA Cup that way.

If you think they are a poor side, then you obviously know little about football. :roll:

And whatever the case, take away Cisse's handball and CSKA wins. You can not dispute that. FACT.

change your username to Moron, no matter how often you say that thats what they do it doesnt change the fact that liverpool, and please stop calling the liver it makes you sound even more idiotic, were the better team and controlled the pace and temp of the game. had liverpool been on top of their finishing it would have been a white wash. do not mistake poor finishing by liverpool with quality defending by moscow. it's quite obvious that you don't know anything about football. as a liverpool fan i have seen them win games where they havent been the better team, vs. chelsea in the semi final of the european cup springs to mind.
 
alex311279 said:
change your username to Moron.
Why don't you change your username to Dickhead311279, asshole.
alex311279 said:
had liverpool been on top of their finishing
Liverpool haven't had 'finishing' since Owen left. 5th place team, lest we forget.
alex311279 said:
it would have been a white wash. do not mistake poor finishing by liverpool with quality defending by moscow.
CSKA are a good defensive team. If you got your head out of your ass and paid attention to football outside of the UK, you'd know that.
alex311279 said:
it's quite obvious that you don't know anything about football.
BOORING :roll:
alex311279 said:
i have seen them win games where they havent been the better team, vs. chelsea in the semi final of the european cup springs to mind.
Another game where the goal shouldn't have stood. Only way Cesspool (like that better than Liver?) can win. :roll:
 
you are still wrong. your joke doesnt work either. cska may be a good defensive team but that doesnt change the fact that in one game yesterday, liverpool were the better team, and the score was as it was due to wasted possession rather than an astute tactical or technical performance by moscow.

yes liverpool have lacked a proven goal scorer again you ooze stupidy as last year they lost their first choice striker for nearly a whole season, baros has repeated injury and morientes was cup tied in europe. and yet we won the european cup through what was a disciplined counter attacking game, unlike you're pile of shit played last night.

last night liverpool controlled the pace and tempo of the game and had the majority of the possession. they missed chances and lost the ball in the last third due to garcias poor control, not through a great defensive display by cska, this makes liverpool the better team. cisse changed the game, got a couple of breaks of luck but that happens to team that are controlling games.

if you want to look for what great defensive performance is look at several of liverpool's win in europe last year. and even though they won those games i accept they were not the better team because they didnt play the better football. you seem hung up on this "yank knows nothing"
but maybe it's your american viewpoint of sports that cannot distinguish between poor attacking, avergae defending and control of a football game.
 
Fact: Cisse's goal came off a handball
Fact: Had that not happened, CSKA would have won

So if Liverpool played so well and CSKA are a "pile of shit" (an arrogant, insipid, inflammatory statement, by the way) that defended so poorly, why should Liverpool have lost that game?

Make all the excuses you want about Liverpool's lack of finishing, but other every British and Russian football fan I've talked to thought CSKA (which, granted, is generally not as good a team as Liverpool) showed they were up to the challenge.

We'll see how far Liverpool has come on Sept 28 and Oct 2.
 
cska are a pile of shit, it was easy to see they had nothing to offer. teams do win against the run of play - that doesnt make them the better team. you just don't seem to be able to understand. you also don't seem to be able to focus on this one game. yes we will see how good liverpool are in the champions league, as i suspect we will find on occassion they are capable of beating better teams. you keep dodging the point, changing the goal post as it were. you took offence to me saying liverpool were better, not you're saying cska were only upto the challange - that they may have been, liverpool still outclassed them with a poor performance.
 
Look, we can agree to disagree on the distance between the level of the two teams' performances. Fine. CSKA's not my main team, but I like them and I thought they played well.

But you have no right to call CSKA a pile of shit. It's crude, obnoxious, and insipid. I can only assume it's because your a drone supporting your team and are incapable of individual thought. The team won the UEFA Cup. They didn't just show up at the SuperCup out of nowhere.

You also refuse to face facts. Liverpool should have lost the game. Handball, goal, shouldn't have stood. Period.
 
I am not refusing to face facts you idiot, i said the better team won, which in the end they did, regardless of what kept them in the game. it's black and white yet you can't see it. you are probably the least knowledgable person with regard to football that i have ever seen try to hold an argument.

in this game liverpool were the better team, they controlled every aspect of the game and didnt give moscow a drubbing due to lack of quality in the final third, not down to a gritty defensive performance. teams that control games get breaks of luck that cause goals, if they were not controlling the game these breaks of luck would not result in goal scoring opportunities. and it was ball to hand.

you said cska always play like this, and they were dreadful, which makes them a pile of shit. i am basing that on your opinion of them, you "asshole."
 
that is because i am right and my point has been the same from the start unlike you who tries to drag everything in and starts going on about utterly irrelevant stuff regarding this football match. the facts don't change.
 
End of the day cska didnt play well...they never looked like they could cause problems it was just a matter of when liverpool were gonna take there chances...cska dont look a dangerous side at all
 
lee w said:
End of the day cska didnt play well...they never looked like they could cause problems it was just a matter of when liverpool were gonna take there chances...cska dont look a dangerous side at all
sense
 
i'd love it if we got owen back aswell....the way were playing at the moment owen would top us off just nicely
 
owens finishing was never ever first class either really but he had did guarentee 20 goals a season and a knack of finishing off teams which they found hard to unlock. I would still like to see cisse given a proper chance though. morientes has done nothing to impress at liverpool and his target man role is covered by crouch. i'd prefer to have 2 nippy goal scorers rotated round one target man, rather than the other way round.

adios fernando.... though i can't see it happening

the transfer window is annoying cos i'd actually like to see morientes given a proper chance, and then look to bring in owen later on but that can't happen.
 
I just read the Reuters coverage of the game... funny, but Mike Collett (one of the top football reporters in Europe) saw the game in much the same way I did.
Reds Edge CSKA for Super Cup

By Mike Collett
Reuters

MONACO -- Substitute Djibril Cisse scored two goals and set up another to lead Liverpool to a 3-1 extra-time win over CSKA Moscow in an end-to-end European Super Cup match on Friday.

European champion Liverpool only took control of the match when coach Rafael Benitez brought on Mohamed Sissoko after 70 minutes and Cisse nine minutes later. CSKA, the UEFA Cup holder, seemed set for victory after going ahead through Brazilian Daniel Carvalho in the 28th minute.

But, three minutes after coming on, Cisse equalized with a lucky goal that forced extra time.

The France striker then put Liverpool 2-1 ahead after 103 minutes and provided the cross for Luis Garcia to head in the third goal with 11 minutes to play. It was Liverpool's third Super Cup win, following victories in 1977 and 2001, and only the second time in eight matches since the event moved to Monaco in 1998 that the European champion had triumphed.

Although Liverpool started brighter, it was CSKA, the first Russian team to win the UEFA Cup and appear in this annual curtain-raiser, that took the lead with a well-worked goal. Having soaked up plenty of pressure, CSKA counter-attacked and Brazilian Wagner Love split the defense with a perfect through ball.

Carvalho controlled his pass, rounded goalkeeper Jose Reina and fired home from an acute angle.

With captain Steven Gerrard out due to a calf injury, Liverpool failed to dominate in a midfield where Milos Krasic had a fine game for CSKA. Chidi Odiah was also outstanding for CSKA in the middle, and the longer the match went on, the more likely the Russian side looked like emerging the winner, as its opponent failed to show a cutting edge in attack. The Liverpool fans began to sing the name of their former favorite, Michael Owen, but Benitez brought on Cisse and his side benefited almost immediately. Sergei Ignashevich failed to clear a Garcia knock-on before goalkeeper Igor Akinfeyev's attempted clearance hit Cisse and bounced toward the empty net before the substitute smashed the ball home to equalize.

The English side dominated extra time and grabbed the lead after 103 minutes. The ball broke from defense and Dietmar Hamann swept a long ball up to Cisse, who made the most of Ignashevich's mistimed leap to fire a shot on goal that Akinfeyev saved brilliantly, only for the Liverpool sub to power home the rebound.

Garcia added the third with a free header six minutes later from a Cisse cross, and the CSKA fans, who arrived in Monaco in the thousands, were silenced for the first time.
 
Morbyd said:
15 minutes until kick-off and I'm sitting here at home, beer in hand, waiting to see the local boys do Moskva proud against the big guns of Liverpool in the Super Cup. :D

I hope they can win it... the cup means little to the scousers but it'd be such a big deal here. Half the city was partying when they won the UEFA cup.

u got more clubs than tiger woods! :lol:
 
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