3 stabbed at SHM gig

djedwardsmith said:
What a crock of ****e in here.

People actually blaming SHM/the type of music attracts the wrong sorts?

It was a group who took unkindly to one of their shellsuit wearing louts being laughed at for falling down a hill so they lashed out. Only one person (yes, one) is believed responsible for the stabbings. 1 person out of 58000 people.

At the Ireland show, it was I think 2 people they were looking for as suspects (in a show that was already featuring other artists, but let's not point out that acts like Snoop Dogg might also be at fault because that would negate my narrow minded argument) out of how ever many tens of thousands.

So yes, let's throw out a shockingly irrational stereotype, use it to slate a group I dislike and then sit back and revel in my own ignorance.

@Mashednlovingit - Extreme violence? One incident. That's it. One. The rest of the incidents I saw were just typical festival thuggery of bottle throwing (which I ****ing hate) but that happens at every festival, regardless of musical genre or location.
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This ^^
 
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mashednlovingit said:
3 were stabbed in MK, 7 in Dublin. Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant aye :rolleyes:
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Facts?

Let's look at what you said.

''there was extreme violence at both the Dublin and MK gigs.''

Now, where in my reply (where it was relatively clear I was referring to just the MK show) did I refer to the incidents in Dublin?

Again, these 3 people who were stabbed was all one incident, caused by one suspect, out of 58000 people.

I don't know how many people were at the Dublin show, but I'd be willing to bet the people responsible make up less than 1% of the people there.
 
djedwardsmith said:
Facts?

Let's look at what you said.

''there was extreme violence at both the Dublin and MK gigs.''

Now, where in my reply (where it was relatively clear I was referring to just the MK show) did I refer to the incidents in Dublin?

Again, these 3 people who were stabbed was all one incident, caused by one suspect, out of 58000 people.

I don't know how many people were at the Dublin show, but I'd be willing to bet the people responsible make up less than 1% of the people there.
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I'd be interested to know what you determine as extreme violence. People losing their life's in a fight would be extreme violence in my eyes. Irrelevant of the amount of people attending the gig the facts remain a portion, albeit small, of people got into trouble. I can't think of a single techno event I've attended at least within the last 5 years, possibly ever, where there has been trouble of this nature.

Anyway, like I said in my original post thank God they are splitting up. For demographic as well as 'musical' reasons 8)
 
mashednlovingit said:
I can't think of a single techno event I've attended at least within the last 5 years, possibly ever, where there has been trouble of this nature.
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The pure Techno scene is very different to the rest of the electronic music world .. for some reason seems to attract really some of the most polite, mutually respectful and up-for-it people. I'm not saying other styles of night don't attract equally nice people, just that Techno is almost like one big happy family not prone to bouts of bad attitude in and around gigs and is pretty special and exceptional in that sense. Just an observation !
 
kimajy said:
The pure Techno scene is very different to the rest of the electronic music world .. for some reason seems to attract really some of the most polite, mutually respectful and up-for-it people. I'm not saying other styles of night don't attract equally nice people, just that Techno is almost like one big happy family not prone to bouts of bad attitude in and around gigs and is pretty special and exceptional in that sense. Just an observation !
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Agreed.
 
mashednlovingit said:
I'd be interested to know what you determine as extreme violence. People losing their life's in a fight would be extreme violence in my eyes.
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Where did I so much as even imply that isn't extreme violence?

I said it was one incident. Which it was.

But hey, this group and their genre clearly attract the wrong sort, that's why there were guns brought in, people shot and gangs fighting. Oh wait, I'm talking about rap music now.

Irrelevant of the amount of people attending the gig the facts remain a portion, albeit small, of people got into trouble. I can't think of a single techno event I've attended at least within the last 5 years, possibly ever, where there has been trouble of this nature.
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It's not even 0.01% of the people who were there who caused the trouble. And 3/58000 caught up in it (whilst still 3 too many) is, sadly in this day an age, not a 'major' incident. Dublin was because it was several people involved as suspects, and multiple stabbings; in this instance it just seems like one lout who slipped through the filter; that can happen anywhere, in any place, at any time.

Yet the blame has been thrown by some onto SHM? Not the organisers, not the security (which for the most part were good, I was scanned on entry, and saw security thoroughly searching several suspected dealers), not the shockingly scummy scrotes who lack any sort of morals. Why is it SHM that attracts them? Why is it not just the chance to sell drugs that attracted them, Calvin Harris that attracted them?

As for the 'perp', they fulfilled stereotypes in that they had a Scouse accent and were wearing a tracksuit. Which narrows it down to about 5000 out of the 58000 there.
 
The vast difference between a Techno gig and the Swedish House Mafia Bowl gig is that techno is a very specialised genre of music. If you're going to a techno gig, you're going for the music. SHM is pop music which is marketed at the masses and therefore covers a wide spectrum of society.

To say SHM attract "that kind of crowd" implying that more than a handful were up-for-it thugs is bemusing at best, and darn right idiotic at worst.

I was big into hip-hop when the whole debate raged about explicit lyrics encouraging knife & gun culture. I thought that was bollocks back then! But some people now want to associate SHM with knife crime after this incident?! Are you seriously having a laugh?! Ludicrous.

Love them or loathe them, their songs are non-aggressive, and for the most part contain uplifting lyrics. No reference to violence whatsoever.

As for the other ignorant comments regarding the "kind of people they attract" for the most part I saw 35,000 in a field wearing waterproof ponchos, wellies and caked head to toe in mud - nothing pretentious and "VIP" about that at all.

A few typical festival fools throwing beer - as previously mentioned - but an all round good atmosphere - spoiled by a few bad eggs.

Seriously though, as far as I saw, the security were doing checks. I certainly got searched.

When you have that many people concentrated in a small area, unfortunately the risk of an incident taking place are always heightened. But please, do not presume to label me a thug because of the actions of 1 person out of nearly 40,000. Thanks.
 
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mashednlovingit said:
And therein lies the problem. Thanks.
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Literally makes no sense.

There will always be music which is mainstream. In 5, 10 years time it will be something completely different.

Are you genuinely implying that anybody buying the iTunes top 40 is likely to commit a violent crime. Poppycock! :lol:
 
It has nothing to do with being a fan or not.

As was alluded to earlier in the thread, you can replace their name with Snoop Dogg, or Britney Spears, or Westlife... or even Paul McCartney if you wish.
 
djedwardsmith said:
What a crock of ****e in here.

People actually blaming SHM/the type of music attracts the wrong sorts?

It was a group of Scousers who took unkindly to one of their shellsuit wearing louts being laughed at for falling down a hill so they lashed out. Only one person (yes, one) is believed responsible for the stabbings. 1 person out of 58000 people.

At the Ireland show, it was I think 2 people they were looking for as suspects (in a show that was already featuring other artists, but let's not point out that acts like Snoop Dogg might also be at fault because that would negate my narrow minded argument) out of how ever many tens of thousands.

So yes, let's throw out a shockingly irrational stereotype, use it to slate a group I dislike and then sit back and revel in my own ignorance.

@Mashednlovingit - Extreme violence? One incident. That's it. One. The rest of the incidents I saw were just typical festival thuggery of bottle throwing (which I ****ing hate) but that happens at every festival, regardless of musical genre or location.

Also was interesting to note that an awful lot of people who were openly trying to push drugs towards people had an identical dress sense/accent. Given it's location I'm ****ing glad I'm not anywhere near Creamfields this year.
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Something against scousers, mate?
 
If some old school house djs such as DJ Pierre got together and did a gig of the scale I doubt very much people would get stabbed.

no1 is blaming Steve Angello et al directly. It is the culture that they are partly to blame for being better, richer, VIP and with wanting and needing to be better than the next person you get aggression and other negative emotions. Even in a night like Hed Kandi you will get roiders standing around like peacocks fighting all the time. I know a lot of people who are into dubstep and dnb who went to see SHM and while I don't think everyone that likes this music is violent or bad I think it attracts a small amount of people that enjoy violence particularly dnb. The thing is SHM have tarnished the house scene for new and younger listeners by adopting the term house for something which isn't or has nothing to do with house.

And Also I've been clubbing in Liverpool in a very crowded venue and didn't feel threatened once, I also met some really cool people and I would definitely go there again.
 
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