Third Term

chewie_oo7 said:
Scoobie said:
I forecast the usual infighting and back biting that follows a conservative defeat.
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not this time i dont think. (unless the media decide its time to, but me thinks the Blair/Brown thingie will rumble on).

ok the tories share of the vote hasnt increased. but like you said Seats Means MP's... and gaining 30odd seats is a damn bit better than losing 100... :lol: [/img]
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Yes but the Conservatives have still to come to terms with what they stand for as a party. At the moment all they can find to represent is 'we're not Labour' and thats not enough. They need to find a philosphical standpoint which connects with the British electorate and at the moment they can't even agree amoung themselves what that should be.

Half of the party wants to remain 'old convervatives' which won't get them elected because it is seen as out of touch with the modern world.

Plus, they still have very few heavyweight politicians at the head of the party, and without that any leadership election could fragment the party even further.
 
Morbyd said:
I would see the Torrie boost as more of an endictment against the Iraq war than an embracing of Howard & co. I'm curious to see what happens next time around when both parties have new leaders. ;)
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you will find the Iraq vote probably went to the lib dems as indicated by the swing from Lab-Lib Dems in the "safe" lab seats in mainly urban areas, where as rurally where the Tories traditionally do well and labour dont, the Iraq vote, barely made significant impact.

see map

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/flash_map/html/map05.stm

I voted Conservative on 2 things.

1. Local Issues.
2. I Just never did like Blair, even in 97 - felt there was something iffy about him and "new labour" to much glitz, had to make themselves too presentable and too slick - like you couldnt really believe him, like he had to hide something. 8 years later my opinion of him hasnt increased whatsoever.
 
Scoobie said:
Yes but the Conservatives have still to come to terms with what they stand for as a party. At the moment all they can find to represent is 'we're not Labour' and thats not enough. They need to find a philosphical standpoint which connects with the British electorate and at the moment they can't even agree amoung themselves what that should be.
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Every person I know/have spoken to who has placed there vote with the Tories has done so because 'they can't stand Labour'.

Including Chewie!! :lol:
 
Stu Hirst said:
unfortunately with Blair and Brown, we'll be heading into Europe faster than you can shovel shit.
3 cheers for the Union, God Save The Queen.
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Did you know Europe want to close 3/4 of Britains off licences because we drink too much 8O we're not "responsible enough" to decide for ourselves. Thats wot you've voted for if you voted Labour. The end of a free country!
 
Scoobie said:
Half of the party wants to remain 'old convervatives' which won't get them elected because it is seen as out of touch with the modern world.

Plus, they still have very few heavyweight politicians at the head of the party, and without that any leadership election could fragment the party even further.
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a) - which is why there have been more younger candidate, from all backgrounds in this election. there's so many things u can accuse them to be out of touch with... cant please everyone, or try to. we'll leave that to the lib-dems.

b) - agree with you. i personally would like to see David Davis have a go if Howard decides to step down.
 
sexki11en said:
Stu Hirst said:
unfortunately with Blair and Brown, we'll be heading into Europe faster than you can shovel shit.
3 cheers for the Union, God Save The Queen.
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Did you know Europe want to close 3/4 of Britains off licences because we drink too much 8O we're not "responsible enough" to decide for ourselves. Thats wot you've voted for if you voted Labour. The end of a free country!
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joining Europe and being ruled from Brussells will be a huge mistake, in my opinion and Labour will take us there.
God bless the Union.
 
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Very Happy with the result.

(My mate did the final count for the first returned results he was on Sky.)

It's good that Labour's Majority has been shortened, as it should stop them being complacent in their third term.

Democracy rocks
 
stuie said:
Every person I know/have spoken to who has placed there vote with the Tories has done so because 'they can't stand Labour'.

Including Chewie!! :lol:
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that is true in part, i hate em. im not blinded by this brand new repackaging under the label of new labour.

u can polish a turd all u want. but its still a turd. 8)
 
sexki11en said:
Did you know Europe want to close 3/4 of Britains off licences because we drink too much 8O we're not "responsible enough" to decide for ourselves. Thats wot you've voted for if you voted Labour. The end of a free country!
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Sounds like scare-tactic propaganda to me. Very similiar to what the Republicans use to oppose the UN.

chewie_oo7 said:
you will find the Iraq vote probably went to the lib dems as indicated by the swing from Lab-Lib Dems in the "safe" lab seats in mainly urban areas, where as rurally where the Tories traditionally do well and labour dont, the Iraq vote, barely made significant impact.
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Maybe... but I think the issue also helped the Conservatives, not from an anti-war standpoint but as a result of the credibility question it raised.
 
chewie_oo7 said:
a) - which is why there have been more younger candidate, from all backgrounds in this election. there's so many things u can accuse them to be out of touch with... cant please everyone, or try to. we'll leave that to the lib-dems.

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no you're missing my point. i'm not suggesting that they should try and please everyone. The predicament that they are in is very similar to the one faced by the Labour party during the 80s and early 90s. They need to do something radical in order to capture peoples imagination again. Standing younger candidates isn't enough. they need to make themselves relevant.

Even though Labour lost in 92 they had already come to terms with the fact that they had to radically rethink what the party stood for. Unfortunately I just don't think that the conservatives have done that yet.

There is even a danger that they could win the next election because they are 'not labour' but in fact have very little support from the British public. That could finish them off for good. they need to learn some lessons from what happened in Canada.
 
Morbyd said:
Maybe... but I think the issue also helped the Conservatives, not from an anti-war standpoint but as a result of the credibility question it raised.
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well, its one of them which will be answered in 4 years time. (thats if troops out by then).

we wait n see...
 
chewie_oo7 said:
well, its one of them which will be answered in 4 years time. (thats if troops out by then).
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Unless you've still got a significant troop presence there in 4 years, the window of opportunity on that will be long-gone.
 
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