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Buckley

Buckley

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Anyone read the article in the Observer yesterday?

For the religious among us - did it ring any bells? Spoke to some (Catholic) mates yesterday and they couldn't see (or didn't agree sorry, let's not assume I'm right just because I am:lol: ) that L Ron Hubbard's theories are as likely as theirs. Let be clear about this, when I say 'as likely' I mean not likely - I'm not saying that Xenu overloaded Earth with trillions of Thetan spirits because the planets he ruled were full up!:lol:
 
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fatphilb said:
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Which bit don't you get FF?

There was an article in the Observer yesterday about Scientology, founded by Layfette Ronald Hubbard, and he taught the last bit of guff I posted above about Xenu and Thetans. General premise was that it was all a bit rum, but struck me as no more so than most religions.
 
Buckley said:
Which bit don't you get FF?

There was an article in the Observer yesterday about Scientology, founded by Layfette Ronald Hubbard, and he taught the last bit of guff I posted above about Xenu and Thetans. General premise was that it was all a bit rum, but struck me as no more so than most religions.
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:lol:

No I understand, its just the first thing that popped into my head after reading your paragraph. I watched a documentary on Scientology once and yeah, complete load of bollx. Its followers devotion is a tad un-nerving.
 
While, in reality, the beliefs of Scientologists are no less likely than the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Buddhist teachings, at least the others have centuries of folklore and literature attached to them!

I honestly can't see how people (especially a disproportionate number of Hollywood types) fall for this crap. The whole money-grubbing aspect of it makes even Evangelical Christians look pious.

Anyone see the South Park episode on Scientology from last autumn? If you haven't you've got to track it down. I nearly choked I lauged so hard :lol:
 
I saw one recently where Chef was speaking dubbed with old sayings etc.

Dunno if it made it to TV cause I saw it online.

I have beliefs, but to be blindly devoted to one religion isn't compatible with the way I think.

I have more faith in the idea behind Lucas' force than I do anything else. And Im not saying that to sound geeky.
 
Morbyd said:
While, in reality, the beliefs of Scientologists are no less likely than the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Buddhist teachings, at least the others have centuries of folklore and literature attached to them!
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So the truth is measured by the time since someone made it up?

The article in the Evening Standard (not my normal paper of choice) the other day, suggesting that Scientology was valuable because you could see the forming of 'faith' in real time i.e. that all religions will have come about the same way, but you can see it with this one because it happening now.
 
Morbyd said:
Anyone see the South Park episode on Scientology from last autumn? If you haven't you've got to track it down. I nearly choked I lauged so hard :lol:
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Fox (I think?) agreed not to air it again in America or at all here, after litigation threats from The Church of Scientology.

Issac Hayes resigned from his role as chef because of the episode despite having happily participated in the lampooning of other faiths. But then his lot are right and the others are all wrong, so that's ok then.
 
I think the fact that Hubbard was actually a writer of science fiction when he founded his religion should have rang a few alarm bells!
 
Buckley said:
General premise was that it was all a bit rum, but struck me as no more so than most religions.
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I disagree. Not all religions are created equal - some are better than others. See below (in ranked order).

1. Christianity

For the art. Also there's something really nice about the concept of personal salvation - everyone gets a chance. Plus my dad's a vicar.

2. Islam

The brotherhood concept, tho I concede this marginalises women. As an extension of this I think fasting is important too. It brings to mind the thousands of hungry in the world. Most Muslims I've met were kind gentle people.

I was also very impressed by the Taj Mahal on a recent visit.

3. Buddhism

For propagating the concept of extinguishing desire rather than running around like maniacs trying to fufill all of them. Radical!

4. Hinduism

One billion Indians can't be wrong. The Akshardam in Delhi is marvellous. Bonus points awarded for being the dominant religion of the lovely Bali.

5. Judaism

For the humour.

6. Zoroastrianism

'Cos god is called Mazda!
 
Buckley said:
Fox (I think?) agreed not to air it again in America or at all here, after litigation threats from The Church of Scientology.

Issac Hayes resigned from his role as chef because of the episode despite having happily participated in the lampooning of other faiths. But then his lot are right and the others are all wrong, so that's ok then.
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No... that's not what happened. Comedy Central didn't air a rerun when they had scheduled one because it was right after Isaac Hayes quit and they decided it'd make more sense to do a Chef retrospective. Conspiracy theorists (including Matt Stone & Trey Parker) jumped all over it though.

True about Hayes given reasons for departing. The first episode of the new season (referenced by fatphil above) was great... not only did they have Chef speaking with old soundclips but they basically re-did some elements of the Scientology episode only with a group called the Adventure Club who were in reality a bunch of peodophiles :lol: (and yes, Phil, it did make it on the air)
 
Dr Mick said:
I disagree. Not all religions are created equal - some are better than others. See below (in ranked order).

1. Christianity

For the art. Also there's something really nice about the concept of personal salvation - everyone gets a chance. Plus my dad's a vicar.

2. Islam

The brotherhood concept, tho I concede this marginalises women. As an extension of this I think fasting is important too. It brings to mind the thousands of hungry in the world. Most Muslims I've met were kind gentle people.

I was also very impressed by the Taj Mahal on a recent visit.

3. Buddhism

For propagating the concept of extinguishing desire rather than running around like maniacs trying to fufill all of them. Radical!

4. Hinduism

One billion Indians can't be wrong. The Akshardam in Delhi is marvellous. Bonus points awarded for being the dominant religion of the lovely Bali.

5. Judaism

For the humour.

6. Zoroastrianism

'Cos god is called Mazda!
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Better arguments for positive influence than ever argued by devout followers of any one religion admittedly Mick.
 
Buckley said:
So the truth is measured by the time since someone made it up?
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No, of course not. The time a belief has been around builds a tradition that makes it more understandable why people might adhere to it. It doesn't make the basis of that belief any more realistic.
 
Morbyd said:
No... that's not what happened. Comedy Central didn't air a rerun when they had scheduled one because it was right after Isaac Hayes quit and they decided it'd make more sense to do a Chef retrospective. Conspiracy theorists (including Matt Stone & Trey Parker) jumped all over it though.
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Either Stone or Parker claimed that was the case in an interview?
 
Dr Mick said:
I think his point that the experience of truth is collective and cumulative.
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Sounds like a great point but isn't. A lie has no more basis in fact at the start of it's life than when it has been sold to x-amount (;)*waves*) of people thousands of year. And vice versa.
 
Buckley said:
Either Stone or Parker claimed that was the case in an interview?
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What they did was put out a very funny statement claiming that the Scientologists had won this round, but that Xenu would come get his revenge or something like that :lol:
 
Morbyd said:
What they did was put out a very funny statement claiming that the Scientologists had won this round, but that Xenu would come get his revenge or something like that :lol:
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I'm sure a snippet on Radio One, regarding Issac Hayes finished with a quote from one of them sayign they had agreed not to show it again....
 
Buckley said:
Better arguments for positive influence than ever argued by devout followers of any one religion admittedly Mick.
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Maybe I am a devout follower!

Actually, no I'm not.

:roll:

Scientology sux ass btw.
 
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