Police Crackdown/Changing Clientele of Ibiza (Vice Article)

bora bora is so grimy but i kind of like that aspect of it....great people watching and always good fun. Took my gf this year on her first trip and initially she thought it was awful and 4 hours later was absolutely loving it!
 
The road leading up to Bora Bora is pretty grimy! If the police, council etc want to clean up Ibiza's image, then that would be the first place to start in my opinion, getting offered (rubbish) drugs every meter and the hookers hardly make it family friendly!

When I was younger I found this part of PDB exciting, I'd never seen such openness and this just added to my hedonistic view of Ibiza as a party destination! Now I look at it and think I wouldn't take my kids down that street haha!

Who knows what it will be like in years to come, will it ever clean up, or will it get worse!??
 
I don't quite get it , Bora Bora can do parties every day and charge a fair bit for drinks at their bar but its not cool if other people do it every week? The licenses thing is a constant and boring argument. It seems apparent the licenses are not there to be got? I don't think the argfument that pdb beach is meant for peace and tranguility totally stands up. Given the type of clientelle the big new hotels on that side are aiming for?
 
There should be at least one spot in Ibiza where you can party on the beach. Either No Name or Beach House should be allowed to have a party 2-3 times a week.....and if that's too noisy for neighbors, then somewhere more remote.

The license thing seems unrealistic. I'm guessing these places don't get the correct license because they are impossible to get, not because they are lazy?

The island really needs to figure out a compromise other than Ushuaia.

I won't even mention outside partying past midnight. Not being able to party on the beach as the sunrises is an outrage IMO. If Mexico and Croatia can figure it out so can Ibiza. Enough of the politics.
 
I don't quite get it , Bora Bora can do parties every day and charge a fair bit for drinks at their bar but its not cool if other people do it every week? The licenses thing is a constant and boring argument. It seems apparent the licenses are not there to be got? I don't think the argfument that pdb beach is meant for peace and tranguility totally stands up. Given the type of clientelle the big new hotels on that side are aiming for?
Bora Bora have the correct licenses and operate within their boundaries, it's not actually on the beach. I know lots of people sit on the beach by there, don't think BB actually run that lounger operation.
 
Really worried that these parties won't continue this season. I don't get why the authorities are concerned over this shit and club closing times instead of the villa robberies and pickpocketing which are way worse legally and morally.
 
I could probably explain for hours about this whole subject, but I'll try to be concise.

bora bora has the correct licenses and as pointed out above, they actually stick to their boundaries and don't try to get bigger as many others have tried this summer. I personally am no big fan of bora bora, but it's simple - nowadays they do things the correct way and thus don't get in trouble. so with BB, there is an actual venue pretty much on the beach with a pretty good soundsystem too, where you can party 7 days a week for 5 months. and just to add - it's not the authorities' fault that bora bora has somehow fallen out of fashion for some people.

then people need to realise the following. mexico has a one month season with bpm and pre- as well as post-parties. croatia's scene is also an entirely different one with their festivals and it's not nonstop for 5 months as it's here. what people need to understand is that ibiza is a small island and that in the last 5-10 years the clubbing scene sort of 'invaded' more and more places that are very dear to locals. everyone living here knows tourists (and thus clubbers) are important and I honestly don't know anyone that's against them as such. but a few places have changed a lot lately and that's what people aren't happy about. see, 10 years ago the southern part of playa d'en bossa (say anything south past space) was a lovely and quiet beach. the northern part was always the busy and noisy one, but the southern part was where the locals would go on a sunday with their families and kids etc. now you've got ushuaïa, HRH and all the beach clubs there, being loud and brash and taking up lots of the space with sunloungers and bali beds etc etc etc. same goes for cala bassa to name another example - it used to be the perfect family beach where on sundays whole ibicenco families would rock up and have picnics. I remember seeing lots of abuelos and abuelas sleeping under the trees after lunch while the kids were playing in the shallow water. but since CbbC is there with its wannabe vip style, there's no more room for the families and their sunday picnics. cala bassa might not be loud nowadays, but it's another place that's very dear to the locals and that now has turned into something absolutely grotesque.

people here see all those changes and think 'that's enough now!'. I understand the locals that think 'aren't there already enough places where people can go and have a good time?'. there are places to go partying from afternoon onwards, there are boat parties, there are all the clubs for the night time. and there are still afterhours every now and then. I personally also think they should have let space continue open in the morning - now the issue is simply decentralised, but that's not the issue we're talking about right now.

as for beach parties with seeing the sunrise - I would agree this is surely a lovely thing and if ibiza was a place where for two weeks of the year the electronic music world met, I'd probably also vouch for that. but seeing as we're talking about 5 months a year, I clearly understand why people think 'until midnight's enough'.
 
I think if space was still opening in the morning / day you wouldnt have half the amount of people searching for other parties in the area. Still no one can answer whether these 'licenses' are actually possible for anyone new / small to get
 
I think if space was still opening in the morning / day you wouldnt have half the amount of people searching for other parties in the area. Still no one can answer whether these 'licenses' are actually possible for anyone new / small to get

yeah I agree in regards to space; that's what I meant with 'issue is being decentralised'.

as for licenses - as far as I understand, for a venue to work as a proper party (let's say the way bora bora works) you need a café-concierto license. and, again as far as I understand, beach venues simply can't get them anymore these days and I think the reason is that people have decided the beach isn't the correct place for a club to be located. bora bora were just lucky because they got their license 20 years ago (not sure what year that started) and back then no one minded because it was 1 (ONE) place like that and not a beach full of similar venues.
 
Wonder when Bora Bora lease/license comes to an end?

But what about Jet partments Tahiti bar, that plays louder music than Bora Bora sometimes, and goes on every day, but you never hear of that place being in trouble.
 
Wonder when Bora Bora lease/license comes to an end?

But what about Jet partments Tahiti bar, that plays louder music than Bora Bora sometimes, and goes on every day, but you never hear of that place being in trouble.

AFAIK bora bora isn't leased, but run by the actual owners. not sure if licenses ever run out - why should they?

yeah not sure about tahiti to be honest. it's true they never had any trouble so maybe they also have what it takes?
 
not sure if licenses ever run out - why should they?
I know in the states or at least I'll speak for new york, a place like that would have to renew its license (albeit after a pretty long time) of usually either 25,30,50 years. So maybe it is just a difference in that having the proper license in Ibiza for instance will allow you to continuing operating ongoing until the venue's closure.

The other thing for me (just adding my 2 cents here), is i understand that money is persuasive, but i find it hard to believe that a little place like Beachouse for example, having music from 4pm - 12am can be more disruptive than the building of Hard Rock over in that area. I can imagine that is not necessarily something locals may even get a say in, but when looking at the big picture, it seems silly to go after those kinds of venues. I also get its a slippery slope of what you can allow because places which try to push the boundaries of what they are allowed but I would think is best handled on a case by case basis. I've said it in multiple forums that Diynamic at Beachouse was maybe my favorite event on the island last summer which i made it a point to go to on both of my visits. Luckily its not an issue for me to pay for big club nights out, but I just find it to be a shame to lose free events like that especially for people who need to budget a bit more, not to mention the music was great.
 
bora bora seriously needs some sprucing up and renovating, the location is really run down. then parties like tini and the gang, diynamic and probably gerber should be invitied to have their party there. would mean quality music coming back resulting in bora bora being more trendy again.
I disagree that it's not also a little bit bora boras fault that it has become "uncool". imagine if BB had a quality party like the mentioned there every day for free - no one would cry for any different venues and also the government/neighbours would be content.
 
I disagree that it's not also a little bit bora boras fault that it has become "uncool".

of course it's bora bora's fault. what I said was that it's not the authorities' fault that a place, with license and everything, has gotten out of fashion.
 
i agree with the point above, no reason why bora bora cant get a good lieup in every once and a while, i dont care about it being spruced up, infact 'sprucing it up ' will probably move it towards the vip culture
 
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