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[MARKB]

Fergie looks like the Man In The Iron Mask.

She needs a boot in the mot with that fringe.

And that Skeletor looking one? what does he do? except hunch his shoulders now and again. Ropey set up in every way....

Any songs which talk about how many diamonds they have and what car they drive (except Madness: "I bought it up on Primrose Hill, From A guy, From Brazil" - class) relieve me of my will to live.

 

[The Fox]

there should actuaklly be some kind of standards comittee set up to disallow music like this, crazy frog etc. anyone who likes this, or takes it one step further and BUYS IT - is quite stupid in my opinion.

I'd go further than that to be honest and say that they should be taken outside and shot throught the back of the head.

 

[Morbyd]

Not familiar with their music other than what gets played on the radio. Not my style, though I hesitate to call for the summary execution of musicians no matter what their style.

Nevertheless, my brother - a true appreciator of music, with taste ranging from jazz to hardcore industrial - says that the pre-Fergie Black Eyed Peas was somewhat groundbreaking for its combination of live instrumentation with hip-hop. Perhaps that's what Bripmon referred to in his post above re: their first album.

 

[The Fox]

Not familiar with their music other than what gets played on the radio. Not my style, though I hesitate to call for the summary execution of musicians no matter what their style.

Nevertheless, my brother - a true appreciator of music, with taste ranging from jazz to hardcore industrial - says that the pre-Fergie Black Eyed Peas was somewhat groundbreaking for its combination of live instrumentation with hip-hop. Perhaps that's what Bripmon referred to in his post above re: their first album.

I stand by my remarks. Basically I hate arrogant show-offy people which is the main reason I hate all R&B and think it contributes to the problem with a lot of teenagers at the moment with their misguided idea of what "respect" actually is i.e. something you earn rather than demand.

Oops.....nearly fell off my soap box there!

 

[Morbyd]

I stand by my remarks. Basically I hate arrogant show-offy people which is the main reason I hate all R&B and think it contributes to the problem with a lot of teenagers at the moment with their misguided idea of what "respect" actually is i.e. something you earn rather than demand.

Oops.....nearly fell off my soap box there!

hmm... you mean to tell me that there's not arrogant show-offy people in other genres? Rock & roll in particular? right......

Edit: just saw your appraisal of Oasis in another thread:

So to be fair they were crap because a) the pa was to high for them, and b) they're such an arrogant bunch of shits I can't stand to even look at them!

Guess you should hate rock & roll and blame it for the ills of society as well

 

[The Fox]

I stand by my remarks. Basically I hate arrogant show-offy people which is the main reason I hate all R&B and think it contributes to the problem with a lot of teenagers at the moment with their misguided idea of what "respect" actually is i.e. something you earn rather than demand.

Oops.....nearly fell off my soap box there!

hmm... you mean to tell me that there's not arrogant show-offy people in other genres? Rock & roll in particular? right......

Of course but it seems R&B is the kid's choice at the moment which is why I'm targetting it. And also because I don't like it.

 

[Morbyd]

The young 'uns do like it these days.

I'm not a fan of the genre either, but I don't think it's any more to blame for the ills of society than Beethoven, rock & roll, punk or grunge or any other style were in their heydays. Kids rebel. That's what they do. The style by which they do it (whether wearing a black leather jacket or a "hoodie") is generational.

Plus, as a music lover, you have to have some respect for the musicians - even if their style makes you cringe with disgust.

 

[The Fox]

The young 'uns do like it these days.

I'm not a fan of the genre either, but I don't think it's any more to blame for the ills of society than Beethoven, rock & roll, punk or grunge or any other style were in their heydays. Kids rebel. That's what they do. The style by which they do it (whether wearing a black leather jacket or a "hoodie") is generational.

Plus, as a music lover, you have to have some respect for the musicians - even if their style makes you cringe with disgust.

I know you're right, I'm just turning into my dad that's all. I thought I'd be older than 33 when that happened

 

[Morbyd]

I know you're right, I'm just turning into my dad that's all. I thought I'd be older than 33 when that happened

I'm the same age. I know how you feel. It is happening... slowly... from the slightly thinning hair to the goofy laugh. I've even begun snoring a lot, the missus tells me.

I think it's inevitable that, very soon, we "just won't understand these kids anymore" and will begin to remember how "it was so different" when we were growing up and kids "respected their elders". Scary stuff.

 

[fatphilb]

i wonder what kids of tomorrow will be listening to?

what'll be the new hip-hop, rock'n'roll or dance culture?

the mind boggles (if you come up with it, let me know!)

 

[Morbyd]

i wonder what kids of tomorrow will be listening to?

what'll be the new hip-hop, rock'n'roll or dance culture?

the mind boggles (if you come up with it, let me know!)

Ask X-Amount.

The answer to your question will, most certainly, be "his sound".

 

[mambobirdette]

i wonder what kids of tomorrow will be listening to?

what'll be the new hip-hop, rock'n'roll or dance culture?

the mind boggles (if you come up with it, let me know!)

I know, i guess i have to cross BEP off my list now too, ooohhh to be seen cool to all of you, it really matters to me so much . . .

 

[Mark Sun]

The young 'uns do like it these days.

I'm not a fan of the genre either, but I don't think it's any more to blame for the ills of society than Beethoven, rock & roll, punk or grunge or any other style were in their heydays. Kids rebel. That's what they do. The style by which they do it (whether wearing a black leather jacket or a "hoodie") is generational.

Plus, as a music lover, you have to have some respect for the musicians - even if their style makes you cringe with disgust.

I think The Fox was referring more to the explicit materialism that modern R&B uses as a core theme in most of their music - and I'd agree that it's not particularly healthy for kids to use these artists as role models.

 

[Buckley]

The young 'uns do like it these days.

I'm not a fan of the genre either, but I don't think it's any more to blame for the ills of society than Beethoven, rock & roll, punk or grunge or any other style were in their heydays. Kids rebel. That's what they do. The style by which they do it (whether wearing a black leather jacket or a "hoodie") is generational.

Plus, as a music lover, you have to have some respect for the musicians - even if their style makes you cringe with disgust.

I think The Fox was referring more to the explicit materialism that modern R&B uses as a core theme in most of their music - and I'd agree that it's not particularly healthy for kids to use these artists as role models.

Sorry Mambs, when I looked at index page you had the last comment showing. I clicked the thread read the comment without seeing Monsieur Sun had posted since and was amazed at your un-Mambs like post

 

[The Fox]

Exactly, especially flashing guns around and the like. In my day we used to go to house parties with Erasure playing all night. (It was better than it sounds!)

 

[mambobirdette]

Sorry Mambs, when I looked at index page you had the last comment showing. I clicked the thread read the comment without seeing Monsieur Sun had posted since and was amazed at your un-Mambs like post

shocking isnt it, me telling it like it is

 

[Morbyd]

I think The Fox was referring more to the explicit materialism that modern R&B uses as a core theme in most of their music - and I'd agree that it's not particularly healthy for kids to use these artists as role models.

I remember mid-1980s pop music, with the advent of MTV and all, similarly pushing consumerism though in a very different style. Then, it was also all about the clothes, the cars, the yachts, the girls... the lyrics didn't pay as much lip service to consumerism, but the music video images certainly did.

In the 1960s, there was an apparent competition on how to sing about LSD, marijuana or herion in as creative a way as possible. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Puff the Magic Dragon, et. al.

 

[naddyz]

Puff the Magic Dragon, et. al.

there goes my childhood! we used to sing that all the time at primary school!



going to look up the words now to have a giggle

 

[grego]

The Black Eyed Peas are overrated now since they have added Fergie to their lineup and have sold out by going on tour with Justin Timberlake. Their first album (even their second one though it isn't NEARLY as great as the first) is original and innovative hip hop....they suck now though

agree as well. on elephunk the only good stuff is the latin/hispanic influenced stuff (3 or 4 tracks).

fergie is made them more famous (and wealthy) but no doubt the BEP have lost their street-cred.

 

[Mark Sun]

I remember mid-1980s pop music, with the advent of MTV and all, similarly pushing consumerism though in a very different style. Then, it was also all about the clothes, the cars, the yachts, the girls... the lyrics didn't pay as much lip service to consumerism, but the music video images certainly did.

In the 1960s, there was an apparent competition on how to sing about LSD, marijuana or herion in as creative a way as possible. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Puff the Magic Dragon, et. al.

I wouldn't say that popular music has ever been particularly 'grounded', a fundamental premise for modern pop music is the need people have to feel elevated from their daily lives by 'pop idols' living the high life (though I'd argue that 80s consumerism was led more by economic factors of the time rather than the music). Our point is that R&B is more blatently consumerist - can you name a time in the past where naming luxury brands has been core to the lyrics of any other musical movement?

As for the drug referencing songs of the 60s, how old were you when you realised that puff the magic dragon was actually about drugs? I'd say old enough that it was no longer an influencing factor in your decision to take them or not. I could also ask how many people have been shot in connection with the consumption of LSD and marajuana (consumption, not dealing)? Compare that to current hero of the day 50 Cent - who admits he got his money at least initially from dealing crack - and the various gangster rappers who glamourise gun crime (let the record show that I quite like his music ).

I'm not saying this music is responsible for the ills of society, and I'm certainly not suggesting censure - but I am trying to put forward the case for those of us who don't like the image that's being portrayed by some R&B and hip hop artists.