Music sampling / production software

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All of above very true.

I am a Reason user and love it. If you are just starting out and dont even know if you are any good at making music then this is a suitably low cost option that doesnt take too long to get your head around. If you find you are tone deaf then it wont hurt too much!!

Like they say, it does work in a different way to some other software music stations but there are many similarities so if you progress and need more capability you wont have to start from scratch.

The downside is that you cant control any external synths, but unless you have deep pockets I doubt you will be going out and purchasing them anyway at first.

On the plus side, there are loads of free sounds (in the form of refills) to download and an even bigger range of commercial ones to purchase, so you will be highly unlikely to find it limiting - even the stuff they give you with it is pretty good!.

The software is both PC and Mac compatible and files can be easily transfered between the two platforms so no worries there. Propellerheads site is easy to use and offer loads of advice and links and there is a huge community of people making music and developing the sounds.

The latest version of Reason (3.0) offers the best package with some terrific effects which now really puts it in the class of packages that are far more expensive.

If you do go for it then I would strongly advise, and you will certainly want after a short time:

ReCycle, which helps create Rex2 files (Loops essentially)
ReBirth - A virtual 303, 808, 909 setup (lots of acid type sounds)

I would also advise looking for a good sound editor/sampling station to create files to be converted into Rex2 within ReCycle. Not essential at first.

All sounds a bit complicated, but it isnt once you start working with it. You can get going with just Reason and a MIDI controller keyboard and all Propellerheads packages dovetail easily with little or no rummaging around with your PC/Mac settings.

If your using Mac then OSX is best, but make sure you have plenty of available RAM and the fastest processor you can lay your hands on. Any new G5 machine will run it very well and even my G4 i-book and ageing i-mac seems quite happy with very little latency (delay between hitting notes on keyboard and it actually reaching the sequencer).

You will want good monitoring of the sound so you have two choices. If using Mac then you can use the on board sound card and simply use some USB connected speakers (I have some very funky Harmon Kardon ones that sound great). Alternatively, invest in an outboard sound card, preferably with a fire wire connection that will feed a stereo output to a regular amp&speakers set up.

Before you do any thing though I would go to your local music store that stocks all this stuff and talk to them. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING JUST ASK QUESTIONS. Tell them what your level of knowledge is, what PC/Mac and equipment you have or intend to buy, what kind of sound of music you want to make...everything really. Get them to demo differnt packages and have a go and see what you like the most and makes most sense to you. Then go away and have a good think about it and work out what you can afford. Theres nothing worse that wishin you could do something but not being able to afford another £300 for the next bit of software etc....

Once you have done all this then think about it some more and then look into actually buying something. Dont rush into buying just cos you have a pc, as you will almost certainly get it wrong. oops seem to have gone on a bit there but hope it helps.
 
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Um yeah, what he said ;)

For some reason (pardon the pun), I actually found Cubase and Logic much easier to understand than Reason? Having never made music with solidstate synths, the Reason rack analogy was just difficult for me to grasp.. once I had cubase (and my bestest buddies dam0 and Dale Anderson to show me some stuff), I found it quite easy to progress.. I'm now running Cubase, with ReWire so I can use the Reason Redrum machine, and the Korg Legacy series VSTi takes care of all the synth sounds I need for now - mainly use the Wavestation.. Oh and I sometimes use Apple Sountrack to help me construct loops to see how they'll sound before I plug them into cubase.

Great fun, and seems to sound pretty ok!
 
Mark Sun said:
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Um yeah, what he said ;)

For some reason (pardon the pun), I actually found Cubase and Logic much easier to understand than Reason? Having never made music with solidstate synths, the Reason rack analogy was just difficult for me to grasp.. once I had cubase (and my bestest buddies dam0 and Dale Anderson to show me some stuff), I found it quite easy to progress.. I'm now running Cubase, with ReWire so I can use the Reason Redrum machine, and the Korg Legacy series VSTi takes care of all the synth sounds I need for now - mainly use the Wavestation.. Oh and I sometimes use Apple Sountrack to help me construct loops to see how they'll sound before I plug them into cubase.

Great fun, and seems to sound pretty ok!

I agree with you with that - I seem to find Reason a bit too hit and miss with regards to working out good synth and bass lines. Maybe it's because I haven't really learnt how to use it properly. I just prefer the layout of Cubase and plug ins.
I use Wavelab to sample, Acid Pro 4 to arrange all my drums so that they're all in time etc, then export everything to Cubase where the drums are EQ'ed, chopped up. Then start to layer other synths.
If i'm using a plug in or external machine, I prefer to get the riff/noise, then export it into the PC as audio, then do all the effects on the audio. PC is also a lot more solid this way, as it's using less processing power.

There are so many good tools with Cubase to make your tracks stand out - i've heard loads of tracks which have great ideas, but the mixdown or EQ'ing is shit. It takes ages to get a good ear for a lot of it though.
 
All the above information really help full but still seems alittle confusing. Is there any course or books which teach the basics?

All help apperciated

Matt.
 
fairlysteady said:
All the above information really help full but still seems alittle confusing. Is there any course or books which teach the basics?

All help apperciated

Matt.

You could do the SAE course - 2 years and 6 grand ;)

Otherwise, you can buy handbooks on how to use logic, cubase reason, sonar etc..

You can also go to specialist forums like : http://forum.midiaddict.com/index.php

Good luck.
 
Cubase will rock you socks off !!

If I were you I would forget the rest and jump right into Cubase SX. I started on Nuendo (also a Steinberg product) and since then i've never looked back.

Build yourself a nice collection of Vst's and Vsti's, some beats and samples if you also using audio and you got youself a bad a** studio.

For me although i havent spent much time on protools, I would like to see what it can do in the end that Cubase can't.

www.therealplayers.com
 
cubase is very simple and can have minor midi dropouts if you´re not careful. in the studios i work in, we have Protools and many have Logic which is also pretty good! Locis is, as the name says, logical but protools has soooo many excellent plug-ins (xtra software) such as dub alignment and virtual guitar which is good for pop productions. I only know 1 person who has Nuendo, but he´s happy about it!

I´d also invest in some NS10 ´s for mixing as close to radio sound as you need it, and some Genelec speakers as these generate good bass sound but only for mastering, as they are not neutral enough to mix on solely, becasue they make all music sound excelleny. The Maccie speakers are really good too.

If you are talking microphnes, id recommend a medium price Neumann, or if you really have the cash get the Brauner - they are excellent.

A good sampler, a virus is essential for trance/dance/electronica. You can also invest in the infamous Korg Trinity for excellent synth and rhodes, ect....
Otherwise a good compressor and vocal compressor is the wat to go, if you are doingvocals. otherwise dont bother.

good luck in the studio!
 
ouch your talkin some expensive stuff for a beginner IG, quality bits nonetheless :D

My mate runs the electronic music course at SAE and although i'm probably a bit biased it appears to be a very good course and the facilities are very good. However, it is a 2 year course as mentioned and i dont think its worth studying a music based course unless you want to be involved in the tech side of things, eg engineering/mastering for people and general studio work. If you're only interested in writing/producing music then I think its better to learn by your own means. I think mark is the quickest person i've seen progress, though he had the advantage of a music (bass/guitar player) and DJ background to hone his ear before he started! Its the ear that takes the longest to teach, some people have a head start through other practices or are more natural than others. The worst is when people invest so much into music yet sadly they fail to teach their ears the basics!! My friend crap himself laughing when he sent me a sample of someones work he knew. The production standard was good but it seemed the guy was completely tone deaf!!

Protools and logic have their advantages but they are arguably advantages for live based recording such as bands etc.. I find cubase can have trouble with many audio tracks. The other players can deal with 45 + whereas cubase can struggle with 30.
 
aww yeah you´re right dam0, i didnt really think about that. the budgets we toy around with are higher, because the studios I´m connectedto arestudios that do rcord productions, film ect....but yah, I know myquality.-)

itsmore important, as you say, to train the ears andget used to the sequenser and the samplers andso on, then graduately build up a nice studio with good equipment - depending on the purpose natually! :D
 
I saw Ableton crash no less than 3 times when poor old Jimmy Zabiela was playing at Space a couple of weekends ago! Nightmare.. think I'll stick to CDs and vinyl for one more year..
 
Mark Sun said:
I saw Ableton crash no less than 3 times when poor old Jimmy Zabiela was playing at Space a couple of weekends ago! Nightmare.. think I'll stick to CDs and vinyl for one more year..
Can depend on many things Mark, version being used, is the computer optimised for audio, user error?

Version 4 seems to be the stable one that most users in the states use to play out, however, it only works with wave files and not mp3s.

Version 5 is out, but, we are getting beta updates nearly every week in the quest to improve stability and final tweaking. Currently it's version 5.0.1b7, oh hang on, that version finished yesterday, 5.0.1b8 should have been released yesterday.

Right, see ya, I'm off to the Abelton site. :lol:
 
I've been using ableton live 5 for nearly a year now and can't recommend it enough. Really simple to use and it comes complete with loadsa plug-ins and samples.
 
matt david said:
I've been using ableton live 5 for nearly a year now and can't recommend it enough. Really simple to use and it comes complete with loadsa plug-ins and samples.

good to see this old thread of mine alive. Been using Ableton for a short while and can't import some tech-house and techno samples.....
 
gecko2 said:
Been using Ableton for a short while and can't import some tech-house and techno samples.....

not sure what the problem could be, are you using the inclusive samples or are they your own. I find it easier to work with when i change the view from session to arrangement.
 
gecko2 said:
good to see this old thread of mine alive. Been using Ableton for a short while and can't import some tech-house and techno samples.....

That had me stumped for a while aswell- you might need to change the .mp3 samples to .wav. I use a program called freeRip to convert mine. just a thought
 
hi, this is gonna sound quite basic but here goes,

I would like to use my laptop to DJ at house parties and stuff, nothing fancy just some when mates pile back for an after party.

basically waht I'm saying is

laptop>amp>speakers

is this possible, if so with what software?
cheers in advance
menef
 
hi, this is gonna sound quite basic but here goes,

I would like to use my laptop to DJ at house parties and stuff, nothing fancy just some when mates pile back for an after party.

basically waht I'm saying is

laptop>amp>speakers

is this possible, if so with what software?
cheers in advance
menef

I´ve been using a program for a while called Traktor 3. Google it, costs about 130, but you may be able to source it elsewhere. You need to have dual outputs on your soundcard so you can cue up the next track. It tries to beatmatch it for you, but you can do it yourself with practice.

You will need a lead from your laptop to amp, I got 1 for about 8 quid. Richer Sounds do them, as well as most audio shops.

on the production front, I´ve sussed Ableton out pretty much. Working on the gecko2 debut album. Awesome program.
 
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