Liverpool Fans - Athens

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agentundercover

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Grego (and anyone else who went), Have not seen anything on this from you so apols if its old ground BUT..

given what our friends at Uefa have said over the past couple of days, how did you find the whole situtation out there with the police, liverpool fans etc?

I saw some brief footage & it did not look pleasant.:?
 
don't believe everything you read in the press.

we won UEFA fans of the year in 2001 and 2005 and now we are the worst fans ever in the world ever ever.:roll:

before, during and after the game, there was nothing but mutual respect between us and milan. they sung YNWA after the game. we applauded them as they collected and paraded the trophy.

likewise with the greeks, they loved having the final and the atmosphere was great, the police were obviously briefed in a specific way though. much like the against the man utd fans v lille or the spurs fans in sevilla or the rangers fans in osasuna or the man utd fans again v rome police(who we all know have history). this was exactly the same as all of those incidents, so you can forget the "oh it's those scousers again" comments cos man utd (twice), spurs, boro (last season), rangers, etc have all been in the same situation in this season alone.

at the stadium, it was pretty easy to get in with or without a ticket. there were no turnstiles. imagine that at any event in the UK or beyond. people were waving beer mats and being allowed into the ground. there was no method of counting people in the stadium. it seems to me UEFA know they have fcuked up that aspect of things and blaming liverpool fans is an easy option.

having said all that, within 60,000 fans you are always gonna get bell ends who are just out for a bit of trouble. there was some bottle throwing at a public screening. likewise, i've heard of some unsavoury incidents about the scramble for tickets but you could probably count them on one hand, without trying to trivialise the behaviour of scumbags you understand.
 
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jjinit said:
UEFA are all Sun reporters in disguise!!!
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they may as well be. what a shower of bell ends. they give two clubs that average at least 45,000.........a third of that for the final of the biggest club competition in the world.

and then save as mant tix for the corporate-johnny morbyds of this world, as they do for the fans.


btw - the milan end was dangerously overcrowded also as people were just standing all over unstewarded. even from the other end it was clear how tightly packed people were. disaster waiting to happen.:cry: :x
 
Morbyd said:
Leave me out of this, scouse boy! :evil: :spank:
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:lol:

I still cant believe the final was held in a stadium without turnstiles or any sort of eletronic tracking system which counts the amount of people let in.

All i can say is thank god Barca got to the final in Paris and not there.
 
so often liverpool fans involved but never their fault. ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!???

anfield is often awash with fans standing fans coz of the number of forged tickets and the stewards turn a blind eye.
 
russ said:
so often liverpool fans involved but never their fault. ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!???

anfield is often awash with fans standing fans coz of the number of forged tickets and the stewards turn a blind eye.
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so russ, enlighten me as to what you mean by "so often liverpool fans". 1 is obvious for which we have admitted guilt, accepted punishment and let UEFA off the hook. the other occassion has nothing to do with the integrity of our fans. when were the other times??

i have to admit i'm dumbstruck by your last comment. only the kop regularly stand and for the 15-20 games i've been to this season, i've never seen anything but 1 person per seat in there.8O :?

it's also worth pointing out that over the last 30 years, we are the most travelled in europe so if there is any incident does occur then there is always going to be a good chance LFC is involved somehow by a law of averages.
 
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Ferd said:
:lol:

I still cant believe the final was held in a stadium without turnstiles or any sort of eletronic tracking system which counts the amount of people let in.

All i can say is thank god Barca got to the final in Paris and not there.
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forged tickets were the reason for the overcrowding and police overkill in lens this year with man utd.

like i said mate, the milan end was overcrowded also. it was a simple case of maths and numbers that meant our end became dangerously full quicker and more noticeably than their end. one milan fan i spoke to said the aisles were totally rammed solid, you literally couldn't move, which was the same as our end.
 
if it wasn't for the liverpool fans trying to get in without a ticket there would have been no problems.

i heard there was liverpool fans nicking tickets off kids to get in!!

there was no problems in seville '03...or wembley the saturday before,and united fans only got 25000!

are these the same good-natured fans which delayed Alan Smiths ambulance getting away from anfield last year?

...or the same fans who threw excrement into the away end at the same match?
 
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reddevilbhoy said:
if it wasn't for the liverpool fans trying to get in without a ticket there would have been no problems.

i heard there was liverpool fans nicking tickets off kids to get in!!

there was no problems in seville '03...or wembley the saturday before,and united fans only got 25000!
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but you are missing the logic. this only became an issue because UEFA were so poor at organising the entry into the stadium.

for example, if at any particular football game, some fans try to bunk in or use forged tickets, the likelihood is that they won't get in. so it follows that you are never going to reach the situation that occurred in athens and moreover, no fans will be kept outside as a result of those who bunked in. i don't see the difference in culpability between fans trying to use forged tickets and not getting in and fans trying to use forged tickets and successfully getting in. the only difference is that one scenario is a better story and threatens UEFA.

as a man utd fan, which i presume you are, i can't believe how ignorant you are of what happened to your club this year. i can guarantee that had man utd been in the final then the exact same thing would have happened. it happened against lille for gods sake, can you imagine if it was the final!!8O

you can keep ignoring the basic logic of the argument if you want, in sevilla and at wembley, the grounds were designed for dealing with football crowds and large ones at that. the stadium in athens was not - simple as that.

as i said before there were a handful of incidents abotu people pinching tickets which is totally reprehensible behaviour from scumbags.
 
reddevilbhoy said:
are these the same good-natured fans which delayed Alan Smiths ambulance getting away from anfield last year?

...or the same fans who threw excrement into the away end at the same match?
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one cannot reason with stupidity.

do you want me to name every single incident man utd and their fans have been guilty of down the years. or whilst i'm at it, name all the incidents of all clubs since the cretacious period. how is that relevant to this??

it would be easy for me to blame your fans for what happened in lille and rome this season but i'm fully aware of how incapable UEFA are and how brutal some european police forces are. it makes me laugh how we can win UEFA awards for our fans in 01 and 05 and now we are accused of having the worst!

policeman have died due to football match rioting in italty and france this year. fans have tried punching refs and players........at spurs and the other night in denmark. feyenoord fans went mental in france and got kicked out. they threaten the integrity of the game much more for me.

to counter your points. all liverpool fans within the stadium gave alan smith a standing ovation. the scumbags who attacked the ambulance are lowlife idiots who couldn't care less who was in the ambulance and are nothing to do with the club, as much as they say they are.

i've had piss in a bottle thrown at me at every time i've been to old trafford, been spat in my face, beaten up twice. none of them made the headlines. but i don't really want them to, because i know you get idiots everywhere and sadly they taint the image of the rest of the fans.
 
I don't think you can blame the club for everything idiots do at a match. IMO the fan behavior has gotten better for the most part all over europe. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the hole bunch.:spank:
 
thanks for responses, v informative.

Anfield is awash with fake tickets?

WTF!!

Where - I want some of that action. No direspect etc but thats rooobish!

Reddevil boy your name does somewhat detract from your credibility on this argument. I live in Manchester & watched the FA cup final in a mates flat, as we left we saw united fans glassing each other all over town, it was all a bit frightening to be honest, blood everywhere. But it could have been liverpool, or glasgow, or naples or rome (rotterdam...anywhere but home;) ). You get the point, selecting particular incidents to generalise about an entire group of fans is the weakest of the weak arguments.

the crux to me appeared to be the lack of turnstiles, crazy days - and Uefa now turning it around to an easy easy target.
 
it seems i have put a bee up someones arse asavo:D

how can liverpool complain about the distribution of tickets when 6000 of the 17000 went to the 'liverpool family'...ex players and hangers-on presumably.maybe they should have gone to 'the real fans'

anyway,maybe a joke will lighten the mood.what have Olivia Newton-John and Liverpool got in common?...they both got fcuked in greece:lol:

...oh by the way,i've heard the AIG one;)
 
reddevilbhoy said:
it seems i have put a bee up someones arse asavo:D

how can liverpool complain about the distribution of tickets when 6000 of the 17000 went to the 'liverpool family'...ex players and hangers-on presumably.maybe they should have gone to 'the real fans'

anyway,maybe a joke will lighten the mood.what have Olivia Newton-John and Liverpool got in common?...they both got fcuked in greece:lol:

...oh by the way,i've heard the AIG one;)
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that's it. you take credit if you want to, i'm sure your proud of trivialising this issue, which involves your own fans' safety for fcuks sake.:roll::roll:

but, oh wise one, liverpool fans did complain at the club and i doubt that will ever happen in that manner again for LFC games. that 6,000 is a fixed (ish) number, and other big clubs would do and do do the same. not that is right of course, i hate that. the fans should get them. only a moron would somehow excuse that for UEFA's actions though.

good jokes, sorry i'm not really in the mood for laughin on this matter as pretty soon something bad is going to happen (as if police dying this year and feyenoord fans rioting and police brutality and liverpool and man utd fans resorting to using forged tickets isn't bad enough).

what is interesting on this matter is that the night before the game William Galliard, UEFA spokesman was talking about "a tradition of good behaviour" for liverpool fans. yet within a week or so, a dossier (a farce to say the least) has been prepared on exactly the opposite. hypocritical or what??!:roll::roll: the reason for it is simple, the sh!t hit the fan here and UEFA cannot be absolved of culpability, they are on the defence and looking to shift the blame.
 
russ,

can you put some meat behind what you said. i didn't have you down as a media bitch. next you'll be telling me that Iraq was a just war on the basis that a paper said Blair said so.:roll::roll:
 
grego said:
what is interesting on this matter is that the night before the game William Galliard, UEFA spokesman was talking about "a tradition of good behaviour" for liverpool fans. yet within a week or so, a dossier (a farce to say the least) has been prepared on exactly the opposite. hypocritical or what??!:roll::roll:
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This guy is a piece of work. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

sorry morbs, i apologise unreservedly. that was uncalled for in this thread.
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No worries.
 
Morbyd said:
This guy is a piece of work. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
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i mean that is just a classic example of the hypocracy. UEFA were literally creaming themselves over us in istanbul and "that anfield atmosphere" against barcelona and chelsea. it angers me immensely how dishonest they can be when they fcuk up.


for me it wouldn't be so great an issue if it was just liverpool and liverpool fans. but other fans, man utd especially (which is why twats like reddevil celtic fan frustrate me), have suffered this year and UEFA have done nothing. mainly cos much of it was due to their incompetence and any further investigation would highlight this.

the choice of final venue, even if there had been no problems would still have been a gross misjudgement. a 63,000 capacity!!8O:roll: fcuk me, that is a joke. :roll: moreover, the unsuitablity of the stadium is the bigger issue, i was there - it was a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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