James Frey - A Million Little Pieces

Scoobie said:
Whilst I agree with a lot of your points I'm struggling to see what its got to do with the book Barbie mentioned :? :lol:
Oh, we're totally off on a tangent there :lol:
(though no worse a tangent than nipple covers!)

It all started with a point I made about the fact that Frey is getting a lot of heat in the press this week when it was revealed he fictionalized substantial parts of his "non-fiction" autobiography.
 
Morbyd said:
:spank:

...and you read the press for news and information about the world. Good reporting is mostly devoid of opinion, so you needn't worry about reading American press and getting too much "I know it all" drivel ;) The UK press, however, openly injects more "'I know it all' drivel" opinion into its reporting.

Understand what you're saying and agree about the uk press, but I would disagree that any journalist can write a piece about anything without injecting personal opinion into it.

Every subject has different viewpoints/theories/schools of thought and its virtually impossible not to put these into what you write. Even what facts you choose to include or not include in a piece can alter the opinion of the reader.

I think that the diffrence with the US press is not that its journalists express less opinions but that in the UK the owners of newspapers tend to have a political agenda which they seek to promote through their titles.
 
Scoobie said:
Every subject has different viewpoints/theories/schools of thought and its virtually impossible not to put these into what you write. Even what facts you choose to include or not include in a piece can alter the opinion of the reader.

I think that the diffrence with the US press is not that its journalists express less opinions but that in the UK the owners of newspapers tend to have a political agenda which they seek to promote through their titles.
Very true.

The difference is in the policy - US papers try to save the agenda for the opinion/editorial pages and the major papers get hammered for any bias or inaccuracy. UK papers readily let the editors' political agenda guide the coverage, which can be frustrating.

Stuie made a good point - it's a supply and demand issue, to some degree.
 
Morbyd said:
:roll:
In any case, the book was published as non-fiction, which usually implies that it's generally factual. Frey himself admitted to the authors of the article (linked to in my post earlier) that he fictionalized parts of the book.


That's funny... this whole thread is about the work of an American author :lol: :spank:

...and you read the press for news and information about the world. Good reporting is mostly devoid of opinion, so you needn't worry about reading American press and getting too much "I know it all" drivel ;) The UK press, however, openly injects more "'I know it all' drivel" opinion into its reporting.

Wtf are you on about, calm down dear :lol:

Now go and talk about something you REALLY know about, say football :lol: ;)

PS For someone who knows so much about the UK press and media I'd have thought you'd have known how to spell Murdoch :lol: ;)
 
Barbie said:
Wtf are you on about, calm down dear :lol:

Now go and talk about something you REALLY know about, say football :lol: ;)

PS For someone who knows so much about the UK press and media I'd have thought you'd have known how to spell Murdoch :lol: ;)
Ya, I know... I noticed the typo immediately after I posted but decided not to bother fixing it :lol:

Don't get me started about football (what was that about "I know it all" drivel?)

I'm totally calm... this all started as I was just pointing out that the book you're promoting was recently revealed to be part sham. Just a bit surprised you hadn't heard/didn't care about that. I suppose if it's a good read, it doesn't matter? :roll:
 
Morbyd said:
Ya, I know... I noticed the typo immediately after I posted but decided not to bother fixing it :lol:

Don't get me started about football (what was that about "I know it all" drivel?)

I'm totally calm... this all started as I was just pointing out that the book you're promoting was recently revealed to be part sham. Just a bit surprised you hadn't heard/didn't care about that. I suppose if it's a good read, it doesn't matter? :roll:

Now come on Morbyd it doesn't look good for someone with your 'knowledge' to have incorrect spelling in their posts does it, people might start to doubt your 'knowledge' :lol: ;)

I don't care tho whether it's fact/fiction/57.3% autobiographical and 42.7% fiction/whatever, I'm just interested in reading books about addiction etc and this was one of the most best I've read on the subject.
 
I'm reading the rest of this Smoking Gun story... it's really interesting (probably more so than the book, which now I'll have to read :lol:)

According to this article, in the book, Frey writes about a case where he was driving wasted and hit a police officer with his car. The event supposedly ended in him taking a beating by a bunch of cops and trying to get 30 bystanders to help him. The cops reportedly found crack cocaine in his car and threw him in jail for days. He wrote that they charged him with a bunch of felonies for which he faced 3 years in prison under a plea deal (which was supposedly later reduced thanks to intervention by a mobster and a judge).

An investigation of the event turned up this:
Frey was issued two traffic tickets, one for driving under the influence and another for driving without a license, and a separate misdemeanor criminal summons for having that open container of Pabst. He was directed to appear in Mayor's Court in 10 days. Frey was then released on $733 cash bond, according to the report, which was written at 4 AM on October 25. So, Frey's time in custody did not exceed five hours.

To review:
There was no patrolman struck with a car.
There was no urgent call for backup.
There was no rebuffed request to exit the car.
There was no "You want me out, then get me out."
There was no "****ing Pigs" taunt.
There were no swings at cops.
There was no billy club beatdown.
There was no kicking and screaming.
There was no mayhem.
There was no attempted riot inciting.
There were no 30 witnesses.
There was no .29 blood alcohol test.
There was no crack.
There was no Assault with a Deadly Weapon, Assaulting an Officer of the Law, Felony DUI, Disturbing the Peace, Resisting Arrest, Driving Without Insurance, Attempted Incitement of a Riot, Possession of a Narcotic with Intent to Distribute, or Felony Mayhem.
oh, and the only thing he hit with the car was a lamp post :lol:
 
It was my Ibiza read last summer. :?
I've got his follow up book 'My friend Leonard' to start as soon as I finish Desert Children.

Oh it's like book club this! :lol:
 
Reuters said:
Pundits attack author Frey and unhappy reader sues
By Arthur Spiegelman
Fri Jan 13, 4:54 PM ET

Pundits and publishing experts furiously debated on Friday whether author James Frey should pass off his memoirs as true when he apparently made up key details but one reader wants a judge to decide the issue.
Saying they were acting on behalf of Pilar More, a mother of two, who felt cheated by the revelations about the truthfulness of "A Million Little Pieces," the Chicago law firm Dale and Pakenas filed suit in a Cook County, Illinois, court against the book's publishers, alleging consumer fraud.
The suit seeks status as a class-action lawsuit and lawyer Thomas Pakenas said it might take up to 60 days to get a decision. The suit seeks unspecified damages.
He added, "If somebody sells you a cashmere jacket and it turns out to be polyester, you would feel cheated, right? And even if the collar and lapels were cashmere, it still would be consumer fraud. To defend the book as telling the quote 'emotional truth' is just crap."
A spokeswoman for the book's publisher, Doubleday, a division of the Random House group, said, "We are confident we will be able to successfully defend this action, but as a matter of policy we do not comment further on pending litigation." Random House is a unit of German media conglomerate Bertelsmann AG.
She also said future editions of the book about Frey's long road back from alcohol and drug addiction would contain an author's note but declined to give details.
In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live" on Wednesday, Frey admitted embellishing some details of the book, but insisted that was part of the memoir-writing business. He also said that "the emotional truth is there."
His insistence that people who write memoirs are not writing what he called journalistic truth touched a raw nerve, especially among journalists, editors and writers who publicly question whether writing a memoir should be a license to lie.
Many were upset the publishers had defended the book because it had a large impact on millions of readers who felt themselves inspired by Frey's story of his recovery.
The New York Times in an editorial on Friday entitled "Call it Fiction," said, "Even in a nation like ours, which is crazy for personal redemption, readers are still willing to distinguish between truth and fiction."
The Times admitted that "a memoir is, indeed, a loose and slippery genre -- as loose and slippery as memory itself. And there's a difference, even in publishing, between the lies we tell about ourselves and the lies we tell about others."
UPROAR ENSUES
The uproar over Frey's book started when the Smoking Gun Web site said it could find no public records supporting the author's claim he had spent three months in jail after trying to run over a police officer with his car.
Frey's biggest supporter, talk-show host Oprah Winfrey, who had chosen it for her book club, said she still supported him, although she said she wished his publishers were more forthcoming.
"Although some of the facts have been questioned, the underlying message of redemption still resonates for me," she said in a call to King at the end of Frey's interview with him.
Publishers Weekly columnist Sara Nelson said: "Like many memoirists before him, who, after all, practice what is known in writing programs as creative nonfiction, Frey produced a compelling portrait of an addict's life complete with all its deceptions and grandiosity and he gave the readers what they want.
"He changed some names to protect the innocent, and some details to protect, and, it must be said, aggrandize himself. But he didn't write front-page newspaper profiles of people he'd never talked to and he never claimed that 'Pieces' was supposed to be 'All the President's Men.'
:?
 
sandi said:
It was my Ibiza read last summer. :?
I've got his follow up book 'My friend Leonard' to start as soon as I finish Desert Children.

Oh it's like book club this! :lol:

Ooh let me know what My Friend Leonard is like, that's next to purchase on my list. We're such 'grown-ups' these days aren't we with our book club :lol:
 
Barbie said:
Ooh let me know what My Friend Leonard is like, that's next to purchase on my list. We're such 'grown-ups' these days aren't we with our book club :lol:

I heart book club :lol: :lol:

(although I had nothing to add to this thread about the actual book, and for that I do apologise :oops: :lol: )
 
naddyz said:
I heart book club :lol: :lol:

(although I had nothing to add to this thread about the actual book, and for that I do apologise :oops: :lol: )

I don't know what I was thinking about starting an intellectual literary thread on Friday :? :lol:
 
Maybe we could do a swap after I've read it Babs, thus making it a proper 'Book club' :)

(I've got an image of us sitting on that sofa in the White star together, not talking just reading and sipping water. :lol:
 
sandi said:
Maybe we could do a swap after I've read it Babs, thus making it a proper 'Book club' :)

(I've got an image of us sitting on that sofa in the White star together, not talking just reading and sipping water. :lol:

I'd give us 5 minutes before we're back on the wine and gassing like a pair of old gass bags :lol:

Btw did you have a nice birthday missy??
 
Morbyd - I think Babs and everyone else is now understanding that the book is not factually correct!! :lol: ;)
 
stuie said:
Morbyd - I think Babs and everyone else is now understanding that the book is not factually correct!! :lol: ;)

Do you think so, I don't think he's stressed the fact enough, perhaps he could quote from some more news sites to really get the point across :lol:
 
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