Is Trance music dying ?

LondonJake

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Not long ago the news came of the possibility of the iconic Ministry of Sound club in London (elephant & castle) a place where i really had my first proper clubbing/raving experience at the age of 17 8) The Gallery every Friday night has a great mix of well known names alongside some newer underground guys. All in all a great Trance experience (the only one i can find in London) If this was to shutdown there really would be no place in London for Trance music and would say Gatecrasher in Birmingham would be the only other place left in England.

This possibility coupled with todays news about Judge Jules being replaced by 2 dubstep names on the legendary slot on bbc radio 1 on friday nights from 11pm to 1am is a disaster. Whether you like Jules as a dj or not is not significant, his show puts trance out to a wide audience, which is how i first came to love trance. Whilst it is slightly on the more mainstream sound of trance it is an introduction to the genre, this is very significant.

So it appears that trance is being removed from the wider audience, in Britain atleast. There is still a lot of high quality tracks being produced out there which keeps the scene alive (thank god). The good thing is that trance will never be ruined by the mainstream (something which i believe to have happened with house through people like Guetta and Swedish House Mafia) But there is hardly an underground trance scene in England (someone please tell me if there is as i have yet to find anything)

I wonder what the position of Trance is in Europe, Australia and especially in the USA where the EDM scene seems to be taking of. :?::?::?:

FOREVER TRANCE
 
I would say so. The 'trance' nights I have been to recently have seen the DJ's playing more tech/hard house with a taste of trance. Trance 2.0 is here, and it's nothing like trance of the 90's. Names like Mat Darey and ABove and Beyond are still spreading the genre, although still would call it more house these days,

I like some dubstep, but the arseholes you get along with it make me hate it! Deep house and trance nights are full of ace people on the other hand.
 
I like some dubstep, but the arseholes you get along with it make me hate it! Deep house and trance nights are full of ace people on the other hand.[/QUOTE]

Precisely, the vibe at places like ministry for trance, Egg & Cargo for house are much better than drum & bass or dubstep nights at Fabric for instance (although Fabric do do some good house nights)

:cry:
 
Not long ago the news came of the possibility of the iconic Ministry of Sound club in London (elephant & castle) a place where i really had my first proper clubbing/raving experience at the age of 17 8) The Gallery every Friday night has a great mix of well known names alongside some newer underground guys. All in all a great Trance experience (the only one i can find in London) If this was to shutdown there really would be no place in London for Trance music and would say Gatecrasher in Birmingham would be the only other place left in England.

This possibility coupled with todays news about Judge Jules being replaced by 2 dubstep names on the legendary slot on bbc radio 1 on friday nights from 11pm to 1am is a disaster. Whether you like Jules as a dj or not is not significant, his show puts trance out to a wide audience, which is how i first came to love trance. Whilst it is slightly on the more mainstream sound of trance it is an introduction to the genre, this is very significant.

So it appears that trance is being removed from the wider audience, in Britain atleast. There is still a lot of high quality tracks being produced out there which keeps the scene alive (thank god). The good thing is that trance will never be ruined by the mainstream (something which i believe to have happened with house through people like Guetta and Swedish House Mafia) But there is hardly an underground trance scene in England (someone please tell me if there is as i have yet to find anything)

I wonder what the position of Trance is in Europe, Australia and especially in the USA where the EDM scene seems to be taking of. :?::?::?:

FOREVER TRANCE

What an excuse for a good old drivel on session ... :lol: ... no doubt plenty of disagreement will ensue if anyone can be bothered to read but wtf....

Trance died out in UK many moons ago - if it ever hit its shores to begin with. Holland is the home of Trance (as opposed to trance) - hard-hitting stuff with high BPMs, limited sophistication and fuelled by a mix of amphetamines and E. That scene still exists but like Goa/Psy-trance is a micro-scene of its own and very Euro-centric.

The trance of Oakenfold, Above & Beyond, etc. is commercial (mainstream) trance - always has been. And some would argue it has already been ruined by production being overty geared at selling tunes and getting hands in the air. Big name DJs putting out lower BPM more accessible stuff with catchy riffs and euphoric breakdowns have kept hold of crowds for an astonishing period of time already. When this first took hold, progressive house DJs considered the trance stuff the relative equivalent of SHM/Guetta today, but as the whole dance music scene was smaller the relative commercial success was less obvious globally.

Judge Jules has always majored on funky house (big brash banging tunes which appeal to a younger crowd who want a lot of noise and in-your-face stuff) but has played a bit more trancey stuff now and then especially in his latter years. The younger crowd, especially the moody disaffected teenager set, is more into D&B/Dubstep these days - and the old funky house crowd now have pop music which fits the bill (Guetta/SHM). So JJ is pretty much redundant. As he is already a lawyer, a change of career shouldn't be too big a step for him. Question is will he practice or go "in House" ?

The Guetta/SHM EDM-pop contingent have USA licked as far as the scene over there is concerned. Sasha & Digweed are gods in the US EDM scene today - though far less relevant in Europe than they were a few years back. Their influence (and that of a number of other DJs along the way like Jimmy van M & co) has helped to grow an ever-increasing and faithful US scene - with the Miami Music Conference and a number of festivals at its epi-centre. You'll notice, however, that most of the more serious American EDM DJs wind up in Europe ! It's still the beating heart of EDM with Berlin and London having the best scenes in the world.

As far as UK is concerned, like anything it's demand-led. Gatecrasher and the like have had their day imo. They've had many more years in the frame than the progressive house scene and the popular sound of today is no longer either trance or prog. Outside of 'pop' it's Visionquest/Crosstown/Hot Creations. This is the new 'pop' of the underground today - and will become the mainstream very soon, as dominant as Gatecrasher & Cream were in their days. My prediction is that the production will turn more accessible and "commercial" - i.e. mainstream (you can already hear it in Maceo Plex's sound) and in turn sales will increase and events will sell out.

Does trance still have a place ? Yes, probably for a while yet. It's been more popular than Prog (it's more "accessible" so this is usually the case) but like prog house it must surely be getting boring by now with endless releases of more of the same dull as dishwater reworks.. the Crosstown style of today will likely take over for a while - but I doubt that will remain dominant for nearly as long; boredom will conquer fashion sooner ! The 'trance' sound had a good innings so it's probably time to get ready to burn your 'classic mixes' to CD and store them up for those reunion parties of tomorrow. Dubstep/D&B may or may not continue to be the "entry-point" for a load of youngsters and they in turn may or may not carry on supporting it as they mature. More likely the scene will evolve into something more interesting than it is right now - and the music will change.

As for deep house & tech-house today .. well, a lot of its support comes from former prog-house, house and 'soft-techno' heads who've adapted as they age.... question is where will the young trance crowd will hang their hats when their scene shrinks ?

If you crave the 4-to-the-floor and are not yet ready to wallow in deep house of a night out, my recommendation is to check out techno in all its guises. Many more years to go on that front - and mercifully not to the tastes of most of the dubstep mahoooseevvvv !! Oh - and Bedrock are coming back to London, so maybe a prog revival is on its way. Otherwise prepare to invest in some clogs, grab a tulip and ask directions to the nearest rave. :lol:.
 
Trance died years ago

yep , i think ive seen more flyers for Hard Dance nights than trance in london recently and thats saying something but obviously if you really know what your looking for you can find it. Trouble is not many ppl seem to be looking for trance
 
Trance is a dying scene in the south, that is only shown by the distinct lack of Trance nights other than the Gallery, and even that doesn't have the same kind of pull it used to. The Gallery will probably end up moving, I'd imagine. Where to, I have no idea. It survived one club closure, arguably a much better club, it'll survive this one.

In the north, it still has a fairly strong beat to it's heart. You've got Digital in Newcastle, Digital Society in Leeds, Off The Rails in Sheffield, Godskitchen in Birmingham, Gatecrasher Birmingham (somewhat less so these days), Forward in Leeds, Rong in Manchester, Sankeys in Manchester, Versatile in Manchester, Cream in Liverpool (once every 4 months), and the odd nights thrown around in places like Blackpool (not so likely now with the closure of Blackpool's Syndicate) and Preston.
Godskitchen have some faith in the genre, they've just gone back to a monthly Trance night.

Trance died out in UK many moons ago - if it ever hit its shores to begin with. Holland is the home of Trance (as opposed to trance) - hard-hitting stuff with high BPMs, limited sophistication and fuelled by a mix of amphetamines and E. That scene still exists but like Goa/Psy-trance is a micro-scene of its own and very Euro-centric.

The trance of Oakenfold, Above & Beyond, etc. is commercial (mainstream) trance - always has been. And some would argue it has already been ruined by production being overty geared at selling tunes and getting hands in the air. Big name DJs putting out lower BPM more accessible stuff with catchy riffs and euphoric breakdowns have kept hold of crowds for an astonishing period of time already. When this first took hold, progressive house DJs considered the trance stuff the relative equivalent of SHM/Guetta today, but as the whole dance music scene was smaller the relative commercial success was less obvious globally.

The Trance of Old (the stuff that actually got me in to EDM in the first place) is long gone. Gone are the repetitive, trance like beats. Replaced by never ending break downs and melodies designed only to sell a track. The newer trance is ok, but you spend more time with your hands up in the air staring at the DJ than just getting down and dirty and just going f*in nuts. I think the rise of the superstar DJ, and the death of physical media, commercialism and over-saturation of poor quality tracks has helped pretty much push Trance into the state it is in today.

A lot of people who like the genre will only go see people like Armin van Buuren. They won't go and support a lineup where the biggest name is Tucandeo. And as Armin charges £50k+ a gig (if not more, Tiesto is between $90,000 and $130,000 for a gig), you won't see him in the small clubs. Meaning they have to put nights on less often and in bigger venues and hopes it pulls off. It doesn't always (Schulz @ DS in Oct was at half cap (1,500 vs 3,000). I think we will continue to see these big arena gigs put on, and the smaller clubs ignored more and more.
 
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I've been saying trance is dead since 2001, all you get these days is the same tunes remixed, rehashed and covered over and over again from the same djs on the same lineups over and over.

The big trance boom of the late 90's is long gone and it's been dying a (very) slow death since then.

Times change, people's tastes change.
 
but what if you discovered this stuff for the first time now n loved it? Id be well pissed off! :)

Guess you have to buy a strobe & boogie in the living room - just like we did in the old days - and I gather the odd party in a field before the police turn up still goes on here & there :lol:
 
The ladder which the guys like Armin and Tiesto climbed has been kicked away. Making it so damned difficult for people like me to get gigs, because there just aren't any nights anymore. Short of changing genre. I'd have to find a new one.
 
I am considering it. Problem is finding a venue, and then trying to avoid the market saturation of the north.
 
Yeah its hard , but no one wants to give out sets for free , why would they when they could be playing themselves? its all about promotion and networking these days , very little about djing.Djing isnt hard , filling a venue and doing a good party is. if you are valuable to someone you are more likely to get gigs. If you started a trance night and really put the work in im sure loads of people would come out the woodwork looking for sets , you just have to play them at their own game i guess. Also , and i guess particularly with trance u have to be prepared to pay some money for a name people will recognise , not massive but like someone that yourself might recognise and think 'i'll go check it out'
 
Yeah its hard , but no one wants to give out sets for free , why would they when they could be playing themselves? its all about promotion and networking these days , very little about djing.Djing isnt hard , filling a venue and doing a good party is. if you are valuable to someone you are more likely to get gigs. If you started a trance night and really put the work in im sure loads of people would come out the woodwork looking for sets , you just have to play them at their own game i guess. Also , and i guess particularly with trance u have to be prepared to pay some money for a name people will recognise , not massive but like someone that yourself might recognise and think 'i'll go check it out'

I've been watching Forward do their nights. They've had some great talent on (Orkidea, Stoneface & Terminal, Ronski Speed), but the night never seems busy. I'm not sure how well it is advertised though. Advertisement is the key thing I guess. As is finding a suitable venue.
 
Interesting article here on rise of EDM in the US :

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/indu...ation-electronic-dance-music-1005645562.story

Unsurprisingly, SHM & Skrillex are the current main beneficiaries of the boom but 'trance' may move over there. Always seems to be a 5-10 year lag in tastes between Europe & the US outside of the headline acts.

... so Paul Oakenfold should be right fresh and on the money by that reckoning !!
 
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watching this i can see why trance music isnt so popular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1am8qoOzvgc

each track , 30 seconds mixing , 5mins of waving arms about and acting like your actually doing something while the crowd laps the dj up.
Maybe they just need to cover up the dj so these people dont have to worship someone every 5mins
 
watching this i can see why trance music isnt so popular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1am8qoOzvgc

each track , 30 seconds mixing , 5mins of waving arms about and acting like your actually doing something while the crowd laps the dj up.
Maybe they just need to cover up the dj so these people dont have to worship someone every 5mins

I have to say I do like it when the DJ is interactive with the crowd, but he took it a bit too far.

As for trance being dead, i'll be at the Gallery Xmas party next week, will let you know!
Went to The Gallery two weeks ago and it was brilliant, but that was a housier prog night with Cattaneo and Howells though
 
i guess its a product of the music , with heavy mlodic music you can only mix tracks in at certain parts. unlike say drum n bass where the dj literally doesnt have a second spare. It just all looks so ****y to me , worshipping some guy on a stage who actually isnt doing much. But i guess showmanship is a skill in itself...
 
Went to The Gallery two weeks ago and it was brilliant, but that was a housier prog night with Cattaneo and Howells though[/QUOTE]

I went to the Gallery 4th nov (Jules, Emery, Aly&Fila and Simon Patterson) Was as er busy as i'd ever seen it right the way to 6am when Patterson finished his set 8O

Will be returning again on the 27th jan for Oakenfold's new tour 8)
 
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