tristanbaldock
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Anyone seen it? Went the other night, well impressed and it's probably the film i've talked about most after seeing since The Matrix
Inception
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Colonel Kurtz
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Watched it last night, very good and best i've seen for some time.
Beckiboo
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I also watched it last weekend. Thought the special effects and direction were great, storyline not so great. It just got confusing at some points (dream going into a dream going into a dream?! wtf?) At the end it just seemed like people were running around doing things solely for the how it would look on screen - like that big snow fight, what was the purpose of that?! I'm all for fantasty movies but this one seemed to rely more on its big name cast and fancy effects than the actual storyline itself.
Probably great to watch in 3D, but a bit of a lame attempt at sci fi for me...
Probably great to watch in 3D, but a bit of a lame attempt at sci fi for me...
tristanbaldock
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It was pretty confusing, i'll give you that! The good thing about the storyline though is that it's completely open to your own interpretation, i.e. the ending.
tristanbaldock
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I liked The Dark Knight, but i actually prefer Batman Begins, think it zips along at a better pace and was more entertaining imo
Well the whole film is open to your interpretation when you think about it. thats what I liked I cant wait to watch it again tbh.
+1 They are both really good films but Begins has the edge for me
Saw it yesterday and have been thinking about it alot...
Becks, I think you are wrong about the effects being for nothing. Every explosion, chase and fight was there for a specific reason to further the plot. Unlike most summer movies, these tings happened for good reason.
My best guess as to what happens is:
(dont read on if you havent seen the movie as it might spoil bits of it)
The whole movie is a dream inside Cobb's head. There are lots of things that only make sense if this is so. Like the chase in Mombassa with the walls closing in on him and the and the way his wife is on a balcony of a completely different building.
I think she was right and he is stuck in Limbo. Perhaps she has hired the extractors to enter his dreams to plant the inception that he can leave his wife and return to the real world
We are going again after the weekend to check it out again and see if we can sort it out
Nolan's movies are like intricate puzzle boxes. Also,like other movies of his like Memento and Prestige, there really are no right and wrong answers, only interpretations.....
Becks, I think you are wrong about the effects being for nothing. Every explosion, chase and fight was there for a specific reason to further the plot. Unlike most summer movies, these tings happened for good reason.
My best guess as to what happens is:
(dont read on if you havent seen the movie as it might spoil bits of it)
The whole movie is a dream inside Cobb's head. There are lots of things that only make sense if this is so. Like the chase in Mombassa with the walls closing in on him and the and the way his wife is on a balcony of a completely different building.
I think she was right and he is stuck in Limbo. Perhaps she has hired the extractors to enter his dreams to plant the inception that he can leave his wife and return to the real world
We are going again after the weekend to check it out again and see if we can sort it out
Nolan's movies are like intricate puzzle boxes. Also,like other movies of his like Memento and Prestige, there really are no right and wrong answers, only interpretations.....
I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything more. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
tristanbaldock
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Russ, my mate emailed me this (not his original thoughts i hasten to add!):
The idea of 'Inception' is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind - Cobb's mind. What people perceive to be real isn't necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo – more importantly, Saito's limbo.
What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb's totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb's attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper.
Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that's to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to "take a leap of faith." This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet?
While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he "wakes up," he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn't been yet. He's been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he's been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him "get back home" - Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo – where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal.
While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal's totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn't realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb's character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn't know dream from reality – not in the limbo that he describes to people – and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world.
Mal and Cobb never really left limbo at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same "kick" that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn't realize it. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, they simply moved one layer deeper just like Saito did when he was killed, Fischer did when he was killed, and so on (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb).
Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito's promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are in the same position as they were all throughout the film).
The team were projections in Cobb's mind the entire time. It's how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the "kick" at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It's how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It's even how Cobb's lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared "sane" and how he happened to have a ticket for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him.
The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb's children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed – this is because inception has worked – Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb's journey through his own mind: INCEPTION
The idea of 'Inception' is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind - Cobb's mind. What people perceive to be real isn't necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo – more importantly, Saito's limbo.
What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb's totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb's attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper.
Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that's to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to "take a leap of faith." This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet?
While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he "wakes up," he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn't been yet. He's been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he's been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him "get back home" - Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo – where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal.
While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal's totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn't realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb's character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn't know dream from reality – not in the limbo that he describes to people – and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world.
Mal and Cobb never really left limbo at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same "kick" that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn't realize it. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, they simply moved one layer deeper just like Saito did when he was killed, Fischer did when he was killed, and so on (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb).
Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito's promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are in the same position as they were all throughout the film).
The team were projections in Cobb's mind the entire time. It's how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the "kick" at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It's how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It's even how Cobb's lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared "sane" and how he happened to have a ticket for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him.
The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb's children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed – this is because inception has worked – Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb's journey through his own mind: INCEPTION
I had the same thought over the weekend mate. I think thats why i enjoyed it so much, everything is left for you to decide on what is actually gong on.
Beckiboo
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(I've cut out all the writing from this post).. BUT
See.... I read all that and felt exactly the same way as I did about the film. Maybe I just like things i black and white, I don't want to watch a film that makes me "open my mind" and interpret things how I want to. I want to see a story with a beginning, middle and end!
Some parts of the film I really did like, but for the general whole time I was just thinking "get to the point". It's like one of those stories where the end is "and then I woke up and realised it was ALL a dream!". The fact that we know NOTHING about whether what we're watching is real, 1st stage of dream, Cobb's limbo, Mal's limbo, Mr Fisher's limbo etc etc. If we follow what the film was trying to tell us, we could be watching anybody's dream, and everything could be fake.
I personally think there needed to be a clearer line between what was real and what was fake (think "The Matrix"), otherwise it just all becomes a bit of mumbo jumbo where everything that is being said you have to take with a pinch of salt.
Having said that, it's certainly a film thats got everyone talking! The people I know who watched it have all said either brilliant or they hated it!
Beckiboo
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dominicfiend
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Well I agree,
Saw it last night and wasn't that impressed. I thought it was watchable and kept me entertained. But the way people have been banging on about it, I was expecting a classic on a par with Sixth Sence, Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction.
Too much is put emphasis put on effects and not enough on plot. And not to say they haven't tried with the plot here, but it is a little baffling.
6/10 at best
Morbyd
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I quite liked the ending, actually. You understood that (attempting not to spoil it) he understood everything, but upon that knowledge acted in such a way so as to precipitate the outcome that would have happened had he not. (hope that makes sense!)