Hooligans in Germany

Dan x said:
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I think you've (both) been watching ID a few too many times.

Nevertheless you have your opinion and I have mine. Whilst I may concede that a "Professional" football thug may have liked to act in the manner you describe, it would be migh on impossible to not take any innocent casualties.

Much like GWB is only going for "Military targets" eh? (where did that come from?!)

I suppose all those at Heisel were asking for it?

Though then I suppose ultimately you're saying that a hooligan is amateur by definition if he causes a ruck with innocents/in public places. Which may be an agreeable point, though the "pro" ones would be a minority, and would only cause the "amateur" hoolies to do what they do.

Anyway, let's leave it here.

Oh, and I wouldn't go round getting lairy with yoru kosh madam, you've never seen my mates with the hockey stick...;)
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I have watched ID a few times, yes, and also read several of the "hooligan" book si.e Cass Pennant etc. Of course you can't say 100% noone got caught up in the fighting accidentally, but from every book I've read the general gist of being a hooligan back in the day wasn't to go about beating up innocents - the whole point of being in a firm was to prove your "hardness" and masculinity - I cant see what they'd gain by getting a rep for causing unprovoked beatings? It just goes against everything that scene was about.

I'm just going on what I've heard / read from the horses mouth. I'm not talking about these Northern monkeys / Spurs fans going around battering everything in site in Germany this year, I'm talking about the original hooligan scene back in the day. I'm sure Cass Pennant etc and all the other top boys are sickened by some of the things that goes on now!
 
Ha! Others name you could use are, Bollock, Polish, Polska, Poland, that famous Hungarian footballer - can't remember his name, but Pillock is, by general consensus, the most popular.
 
Beckiboo said:
Dan: Real hooligans never picked on anyone that didn't want it. The top dogs of each gang would talk via telephone and actually arrange the time and place of the next fight.
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Complete Tosh I´m afraid Becki. They did that and also, on a whim, would quite happily pile into anyone with the wrong colour shirt on. I hung onto the coat tails of an Arsenal crew as a nipper and your romanticism of the such operations is completely inaccurate. Unless, of course, every other ´firm´ I saw lacked the idealism of the `appy ammers......

They was hard but they was fair and they luvved their muvvers. B*ll*cks.
 
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Super Polack said:
Becki, and there's me thinking you were all girly girl with those girly threads !
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I just happen to have a boyfriend who is a die-hard West Ham fan! It's kind of hard not to gain some knowledge about the scene after 6 years watching ID, Scum, The Firm etc :roll: :lol:

"How can I put this? ...... I can't!!!" *headbutt* lol :lol:

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Beckiboo said:
I just happen to have a boyfriend who is a die-hard West Ham fan! It's kind of hard not to gain some knowledge about the scene after 6 years watching ID, Scum, The Firm etc :roll: :lol:

"How can I put this? ...... I can't!!!" *headbutt* lol :lol:
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Which explains the whole ´honourable thug´ myth Miss Boo.
 
Buckley said:
Complete Tosh I´m afraid Becki. They did that and also, on a whim, would quite happily pile into anyone with the wrong colour shirt on. I hung onto the coat tails of an Arsenal crew as a nipper and your romanticism of the such operations is completely inaccurate. Unless, of course, unlike every other ´firm´ I saw lacked the idealism of the `appy ammers......

They was hard but they was fair and they luvved their muvvers. B*ll*cks.
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Well then every film ever made, every book ever written, every story ever told by an ex-hooligan is a lie then because that's all I've ever heard of.

Anyway, we're talking about Arsenal here... everyone knows they're a bunch of s1ags! ;) :lol:
 
Buckley said:
Which explains the whole ´honourable thug´ myth Miss Boo.
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Buckers, I'm not just going on the films, I'm going on stuff I've heard from the horses mouth, so to speak.

I'm not saying it never went on, but from what I've been told that wasn't the aim that most firms set out for, to pick on and beat up innocents.
 
Dan x said:
F*ck me that's a great point!

Exactly.

Look at the end of the day, supporting a football team is not generally the most logical or reasonable of pasttimes. Like shouting "Come on In-gur-lund" etc. I mean, at 9 o clock at night, where's the logic or reasoning behind it?

Look at supporting a team like Spurs. Love 'em to pieces, but I hate pretty much every decision their management makes (though perhaps not recently), I know they own't beat certain teams, though you still shout outhat they're the best team in the world.

Going back, I'm not trying to ecuse it, but you're tanked up, everyone else is doing it, and it feels like fun. I stress aswell, that I'm :roll: too at the paki chants and some of bottle throwing at police etc, though from moving about an innocuous chant for Stevie G, and some clown moves on to the Paki one, (I restrained but) it's hard to not go on with the flow. You just don't think about it. Then 5 weeks later, some crafty editing makes it look like everyone was doing it.
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Just one last point from me. I understand what you mean its hard not to go with the flow, but fans have to try to draw a line between supporting your team and banter, and then being aggressive and abusive.

I remember when i got back from Paris i had a small dig at arsenal fans, which was a bit harsh as the were brilliant compared to yesterday, but it gets to me that I (or any other fan) should feel intimidated and sh*t scared just because we have to pass through a bar full of drunk opposing fans, or through i certain section of a street or where ever.
 
Beckiboo said:
Anyway, we're talking about Arsenal here... everyone knows they're a bunch of s1ags! ;) :lol:
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Never a more true word said.

P.S. The firm is quite possibly one of the worst films I've ever seen. Like you said Buckley, all I know of is coat tails too but it's what I am led to believe. Anyway, we shouldn't be giving them the pleasure of us being interested in them. Silly buggars.
 
Beckiboo said:
Well then every film ever made, every book ever written, every story ever told by an ex-hooligan is a lie then because that's all I've ever heard of.

Anyway, we're talking about Arsenal here... everyone knows they're a bunch of s1ags! ;) :lol:
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Hooligans in not admitting to toerag indiscriminate violence against innocents shocker! HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!!! Multi-millionaire footie players have ghost writers to portay them in a favourable light (eg.Lampard I wept after orgy shame - after getting caught more like). Do you think a publishers going to invest money in something that will attract a media-led boycott because Cass Pennant admits to battering someone´s gran because she had a Spurs brooch on? (Arguments about all publicity being good publicity aside.)


:lol: Luckily, I have no allegiance anymore. Otherwise, I´d have to cut ya!:p
 
Something that needs to be said here also is...

Let's face it, we all know FUDGE all. Until, Hardy McHardison comes on and tells me he bashes up kids for giggles, it's all speculation.
 
Super Polack said:
Out of interest though, how did you lose allegiance to a team?
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I grew up enough to not idolise people who battered people indiscriminately and to find those singing jocular songs about gas chambers and the holocaust abhorrent. That´s a Spurs reference obviously.
 
Super Polack said:
I'm talking football not stupid fans. :?
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Might be different now but in my day (it were all fields around here etc) following a team was all about tribal belonging. It was, and maybe still is - someone who still goes regularly will have to update me, as much about belonging as about admiration of the particular style of football that your team play. Must people´s allegiance comes from family or geography, not from an in-depth of different teams followed by a reasoned choice.

Following football use to mean following a team. I still play regularly and watch any games that are on TV but my old definition that doesn´t make me a ´footbll fan´. :? Backatya.
 
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