Gordon Ramsay last night - poor little pig!
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Robder said:
where do you draw the line then? All mammals? Fish? Those with nervous systems? Those that have all 5 senses that we do?
can a baby feel regret?
etc etc. (and it gets more complicated when you put memory (short and long term) in there)
It's a continuum rather than "all animals feel a complete range of emotions"
DJNC said:In 350 B.C., Aristotle found evidence of emotion in animals. "Some are good-tempered, sluggish, and little prone to ferocity, as the ox; others are quick-tempered, ferocious, and unteachable, as the wild boar," he wrote in The History of Animals.
Today, the proposition that animals share some of the same feelings as man – actually experiencing pain, grief, and joy – is winning more advocates. And animal rights activists point to that concept as a concrete reason to end man’s exploitation of animals. The reformers are getting help from biologist Marc Bekoff, of the University of Colorado, who has compiled a new book, The Smile of the Dolphin, in which dozens of animal researchers explain why they believe animals have emotions. The book also has several dolphin recipes in the back pages).
OK, made the last bit up...
I'm not saying animals don't have emotions, but I am saying that you can't necessarily equate them with ours.
You must read my extended essay on the subject of "the welfare of egg laying hens"
I like pigs - they are intelligent animals and deserve our respect.
No amount of tick box solutions, 'humane and so called "organic" farming' (isn't it lovely) will overcome our sense of apathy.
Not much more that can be said really beyond getting spears and running around fields!
God I'm on a right soapbox today aren't i?
No amount of tick box solutions, 'humane and so called "organic" farming' (isn't it lovely) will overcome our sense of apathy.
Not much more that can be said really beyond getting spears and running around fields!
God I'm on a right soapbox today aren't i?
zarbtron said:I'm not saying animals don't have emotions, but I am saying that you can't necessarily equate them with ours.
You must read my extended essay on the subject of "the welfare of egg laying hens"
Must I
free-range systems for Hens offer a more natural environment and the freedom to act out normal behaviours – offering mental and physical welfare improvements over all other systems.
That makes me a Free Range Hen, when I go to Ibiza...
DJNC said:Must I
free-range systems for Hens offer a more natural environment and the freedom to act out normal behaviours – offering mental and physical welfare improvements over all other systems.
and also free range hens are far more likely to have diseases such as ring worm, be attacked by foxes, more likely to suffer injury, undergo bullying/feather pecking etc from the other hens etc than those in 'enriched cages' (i.e. top class battery cages with dust bowls, perches, stimuli, space etc)
The perfect solution actually lies somewhere in the middle, between caged and free range - I liken it to how you would treat a baby - would you want to keep it in a pen with toys, space etc and a couple of pen mates but limited in some of its behaviours, or in a really big pen with disease, bullys and other dangers
In addition, when given a choice, many hens (especially those that are smaller and more likely to be bullied) will choose an enriched cage over a free range space
Robder said:
Let's take issue with something every Thursday after a heavy session to make us feel better about ourselves.
Sounds like a good plan....
As long as we don't take issue with me..... I've taken issue with me already after yesterdays meeting fiasco...
Why has Zarbtron got a teasmaid fetish?
Stu Hirst said:
I wonder, how many people would still eat pig meat (bacon / chops etc) if like some fish restaraunts you have to point to the one you want (alive) and the Chef chops it up and prepares it for you there and then.....
Spotlight is like animalmammal forum today.... there's even a thread on fishbowls...
zarbtron said:who hasn't got a teasmaid fetish?
Quite!
Did I even show you my teasmaid???
I'm really surprised i didn't do a group demo!
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The pig thing is actually a genuine Robder tyrade...poor little Pilchard was in the kitchen minding his own business and had to put up with a five minute rant.
It can't be easy being a pilchard.
