first dead of season 2007 :-( rip

Super Polack said:
You also have to bear in the mind that the long term affects of new drugs are yet to be fully seen as it is such a young drug and even for the first wave, it's only 15 - 20 years gone.
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I was reffering to this bit mainly. A lot of effects are known.

And your not getting my point which is these drugs should be legal anyway.

E's make you high, smile and friendly
cannabis makes you stoned and laugh a lot
Tabacco makes you cough
Drink makes you happy and in a lot of cases this turns into violence

http://www.jacobsm.com/hicks.mp3 have a listen says it all really
 
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Right sorry I got my figures a bit messed up. The actual fact was 2million pills are taken every weekend. And 730,000 people take them:

A United Nations report reveals that in Britain 2.2 per cent of the population aged 16 to 59 - 730,000 people - now take ecstasy, compared with 1.2 per cent five years ago. More people take ecstasy as a proportion of the population than in any other country, except Australia and Ireland.
 
PFD50 said:
I was reffering to this bit mainly. A lot of effects are known.

And your not getting my point which is these drugs should be legal anyway.

E's make you high, smile and friendly
cannabis makes you stoned and laugh a lot
Tabacco makes you cough
Drink makes you happy and in a lot of cases this turns into violence

http://www.jacobsm.com/hicks.mp3 have a listen says it all really
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Possibly the most idoitic argument ever. I'll counter act with an equally stupid one.

Everyone on E dies of dehydration.
Everyone who smokes a spliff hallucinates and jumps off a building.
 
Super Polack said:
P.S. You watched Human Traffic too many times mate.
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Na only watched it once. I have lived it a few times though :)

Sorry but I have debated enough about this. It's not like we have ability to change things and to be honest we should all be left to our own devices when we choose.

Before I go may I suggest a bit of bedtime reading please. Food of the Gods is an excellent read
 
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Beckiboo said:
And also... ecstacy has been around since 1914 and was totally legal until 1985. Before being used as a "rave" drug it was used as an appetite/diet drug, and also to help couples having marriage problems!
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becki, have you ever seen this video? Its a few years old, but talks a lot about what you were saying above. Its actually quite an interesting video , even though it is a few years old. Very informative.

The only time people started having trouble with e was when it was made illegal.

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=ecstasy+rising
 
Beckiboo said:
But then what would you say to someone who necks 14 pints and 10 shots on a night out? A possible regular occurance for someone who drinks every weekend? IMO that is a hell of a lot more dangerous that someone who dabbles a bit in non taxable (illegal) drugs every now and then.

Like someone said earlier on, there are FAR more drink related deaths than drug related deaths, yet because drink is sold legally, its seen as the better thing to do.
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TBH Becki I don't personally know anyone who's necked THAT much and in all fairness that kind of carry on is loaded with danger as well. I was in a mental health day center with severe depression 7 years ago and there were a fair amount of people who lost their way due to drug use alone.
I just think the whole thing gets outta hand at times and it would be ace to see everyone enjoy themselves without the feeling of a need to get smashed to get "in the zone".

I am always surprised when I get well spoken and probably well educated people approach me to score some gear as I have had on many occasions. I understand people using drugs to block out stuff but how come some people from sound backgrounds need/want them?

Anyone I know that took them always said they developed a need for "pills" before they would consider going out of a weekend.
 
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Also surely its what puts up the prices of drinks up to the silly levels they are.

I remember paying something like £25 for 2 JD and Cokes in Pacha.8O

The clubs have to make there money somehow. as a punter who don't take any of that stuff I do get annoyed at the hiked up drinks prices.
 
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I drink in the clubs as well.

I heard this and think its as good a reason as any.

Clubs in Ibiza (well most of them) only open for a quater of the year so charge 4x the real cost of a drink to pay for the whole year.
 
i don't think you can use that argument. ibiza is a holiday island which is buzzing for 7 saturday nights each week. i would imagine that clubs in working towns and cities, for the most part, have 3 good nights a week, tops.

on the drink thing. i drink alcohol, i don't binge it. my friends and i drink for the pleasure of it. it's a fine acompaniment for a meal - it has different tastes, flavours, and rituals. sure it makes me feel relaxed, it's all part and parcel of alcohol consumption. this is the difference between alcohol and drugs, you can consume alcohol for pleasure without becoming a dribbling idiot. i've never heard anyone yet saying wow, what a fabulous line of coke, i really enjoyed snorting that, what a pleasure.
binging is a young persons' thing, please don't tar the rest of the alcohol drinking community with it, and do remember that the people passing/formulating laws on drugs are probably claret sipping, port passing old codgers who haven't got a clue how fabulous clubbing is!
 
Beckiboo said:
There are actually something like 2million people taking ecstacy in London alone on a weekend. (correct me if I'm wrong someone but I'm sure this is the case)
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Nobody has been so wrong scince Mr and Mrs Hitler had their little 'accident'.
 
stephen said:
i don't think you can use that argument. ibiza is a holiday island which is buzzing for 7 saturday nights each week. i would imagine that clubs in working towns and cities, for the most part, have 3 good nights a week, tops.

on the drink thing. i drink alcohol, i don't binge it. my friends and i drink for the pleasure of it. it's a fine acompaniment for a meal - it has different tastes, flavours, and rituals. sure it makes me feel relaxed, it's all part and parcel of alcohol consumption. this is the difference between alcohol and drugs, you can consume alcohol for pleasure without becoming a dribbling idiot. i've never heard anyone yet saying wow, what a fabulous line of coke, i really enjoyed snorting that, what a pleasure.
binging is a young persons' thing, please don't tar the rest of the alcohol drinking community with it, and do remember that the people passing/formulating laws on drugs are probably claret sipping, port passing old codgers who haven't got a clue how fabulous clubbing is!
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Well said that man8)8)8)

Imagine the drug tasting sessions..."Im getting tower blocks...Flashing lights...and ...oh do hang on...I feel a need to hug you.."

"So what is one getting from this line of Charles Vintage bon Essex 2007 my old bon vivant chum?"

"oooo Henry I am getting....a feeling of a need to dance to the sound of the chef banging his pots and pans....one is also the recipient of blurry vision...such a divine and dichotomous experience to massage my social aesthetic requirements. Oh we must seek out more samples of this fine urban powder delivered in such a wonderful contrasting variety of forms old bean"
 
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stephen said:
on the drink thing. i drink alcohol, i don't binge it. my friends and i drink for the pleasure of it. it's a fine acompaniment for a meal - it has different tastes, flavours, and rituals. sure it makes me feel relaxed, it's all part and parcel of alcohol consumption. this is the difference between alcohol and drugs, you can consume alcohol for pleasure without becoming a dribbling idiot. i've never heard anyone yet saying wow, what a fabulous line of coke, i really enjoyed snorting that, what a pleasure.
binging is a young persons' thing, please don't tar the rest of the alcohol drinking community with it, and do remember that the people passing/formulating laws on drugs are probably claret sipping, port passing old codgers who haven't got a clue how fabulous clubbing is!
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If you can't compare "young persons" bingeing on alcohol to old persons' appreciation of it, then you can't compare someone who likes the odd line or pill to gurning rave monkeys.

Re: the appreciation of cocaine, I think the early standard was set by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. From 'The Sign of Four':

"Sherlock Holmes took his bottle from the corner of the mantel-piece and his hypodermic syringe from its neat morocco case. With his long, white, nervous fingers he adjusted the delicate needle, and rolled back his left shirt-cuff. For some little time his eyes rested thoughtfully upon the sinewy forearm and wrist all dotted and scarred with innumerable puncture-marks. Finally he thrust the sharp point home, pressed down the tiny piston, and sank back into the velvet-lined arm-chair with a long sigh of satisfaction."

:o:o
 
how sad that poor child and his family.I say child because to me at 18 you feel invinceable, we all do crazy things sometimes .I dont condone drug taking but i drink and smoke so i guess i'm taking my chances.Let the boy R.I.P.This argument could go on forever.(there are no winners)
 
stephen said:
i don't think you can use that argument. ibiza is a holiday island which is buzzing for 7 saturday nights each week. i would imagine that clubs in working towns and cities, for the most part, have 3 good nights a week, tops.

on the drink thing. i drink alcohol, i don't binge it. my friends and i drink for the pleasure of it. it's a fine acompaniment for a meal - it has different tastes, flavours, and rituals. sure it makes me feel relaxed, it's all part and parcel of alcohol consumption. this is the difference between alcohol and drugs, you can consume alcohol for pleasure without becoming a dribbling idiot. i've never heard anyone yet saying wow, what a fabulous line of coke, i really enjoyed snorting that, what a pleasure.
binging is a young persons' thing, please don't tar the rest of the alcohol drinking community with it, and do remember that the people passing/formulating laws on drugs are probably claret sipping, port passing old codgers who haven't got a clue how fabulous clubbing is!
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Actually, I HAVE heard people say almost those exact words!!!... or "That was some good coke"... or "Man, these pills are wicked'

not everyone becomes a dribbling idiot... just like you don't overdo your drink, neither does everyone who dabbles once in a while.

Whether you agree with it or not, or like it or not.. there are people who enjoy the feeling of drugs.

You might drink for the pleasure and and the food accompaniment, but there are plenty of people who overdo it.. and they certainly aren't all 17 year olds.
 
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