first dead of season 2007 :-( rip

[MARKB]

The only way he died is because of "back street illegal dealers" ?!?, he died coz he used too many and too varied drugs. It could NOT have been me because I wouldn't do that. .

I think the point is that anyone doing illegal drugs is at risk, in terms of what they may or may not be taking. Obviousy there isn't a list of ingredients on the packet is there? That is why everyone who indulges is at a degree of risk. Admittedly those who overindulge are at a much higher risk.

As it's a "goes without saying" that being wreckless can end in tears or worse, I find it dissappointing that so many people are keen to puff their chests out needlessly say how stupid the person is or "I won't shedding tears over him" or "it's his own fault".

As true as it may be it seems needless, inappropriate and lacks a certain basic compassion.

 

[Buckley]

As true as it may be it seems needless,

That was my point. I'm not one for collective grief or the tribal belonging that motivates it , but can't see what anyone gains by pointing out that the guy took a known risk and paid for it with his life.

 

[fatphilb]

this thread should be locked

 

[djchewie]

Think about his Mum, mates, everything, it's selfish doing stuff like that and all too common.

does make you think twice about things that.

i work with a guy whose brother was a major cokehead and committed suicide. the mess left behind took a long time to clean up.

 

[Beckiboo]

this thread should be locked

Why? It's a perfectly rational discussion about clubbing, in an Clubbing Open Chat forum. None of us knew the guy personally, or even have the faintest idea of who he is, so I see no need to lock this thread for personal reasons.

 

[stephen]

according to ultima hora there's another one still in intensive care and a judge has ordered an investigation into the 'behaviour' of the establishment involved.

it says that mdma in cocaine was the probably cause of death, the kidneys lungs and guts pack up.

Un segundo turista ingresado en la UCI por consumo abusivo de drogas


C. CUEVAS
En este caso, los resultados del examen post mortem de Francesco N. han confirmado la sospecha de que la muerte del turista se produjo por un abuso en el consumo de drogas, más específicamente padeció una intoxicación de cocaína y MDMA, seguramente unida a la ingesta de bebidas alcohólicas. Fuentes médicas aseguraron que este policonsumo de estupefacientes provocaron en el italiano «una hipertermia maligna con cuadro de fallo multiorgánico». Esta dolencia es una enfermedad que ocasiona una rápida elevación de la temperatura corporal y contracciones musculares agudas. Durante estos episodios el tejido muscular se destruye y finalmente puede provocar una insuficiencia renal. Esto fue lo que le pasó al joven turista. Primero le fallaron los riñones, luego los pulmones y más tarde el estómago. Las mismas fuentes confirmaron que en el estado en el que llegó al hospital era muy grave, con hemorragias y prácticamente irreversible. Esta primera muerte por consumo de drogas ha provocada que el juez decano, Juan Carlos Torres, haya exigido la apertura de una investigación para «comprobar si se han cumplido todas las obligaciones y protocolos de atención que un establecimiento público debe tener ante la sospecha de una intoxicación por sustancias estupefacientes», tal y como explicó ayer a este periódico.

 

[djchewie]

Soz Chewie. You lose.

i'm ruined.

 

[MarkSimpson]

People do stupid things when they are out, but I'm not convinced that overdoing it on drugs that happen to be illegal is any more stupid (or selfish) than the amount of alcohol some people drink. Given that most of the condemnation is coming from someone who has confessed to "dabbling" I think a bit more restraint is in order, even if you only do it now and again you could still get carried away or get a pill that had something in it other than what you were told. The person who died might only have been a dabbler himself, he wouldn't be the first to cane it harder on holiday than he would at home.

 

[agentundercover]

does make you think twice about things that.

i work with a guy whose brother was a major cokehead and committed suicide. the mess left behind took a long time to clean up.

Look, thats very sad of course, but my point is - for instance - I had a mate drop dead in front of me, aged 32, caused by a a heart attack. The heart attack was brought on by a blood clot sustained, after an operation due to a snow boarding injury - a sport with a higher than average risk rate.

I know people who are paralyzed due to rugby.

These people and their families have my full and unmitigated sympathy. Irrespective of the choices they made. I played rugby until a year ago & thankfully broke nothing worse than an ankle. But it could have been me.

In my eyes, the lifestyle choice made my the unfortunate subject of this thread is morally & practically equivelant to the above two examples. If your stance is anti drugs, fair enough - thats different subject. But if your point is that those who indulge in risk taking activities are somehow less deserving of our sympathy, I think your bang on wrong - its something most do in our own little ways.

 

[viper]

The only way he died is because of "back street illegal dealers" ?!?, he died coz he used too many and too varied drugs.

You should never mix GHB with alcohol. Beware of PMA (currently with the Mitsubishi logo) and Thai pills which can have fatal consequences! A lot of these pills are unfortunately going around. And watch out: some dealers sell Thai pills as Ecstasy

 

[fatphilb]

Why? It's a perfectly rational discussion about clubbing, in an Clubbing Open Chat forum. None of us knew the guy personally, or even have the faintest idea of who he is, so I see no need to lock this thread for personal reasons.

thats not to say those who dont participate in the discussion dont

and - its already been discussed, i dont see anything relevant that can be added to the discussion

both viewpoints have been expressed, i think it should be locked before it degenerates further

 

[coley]

dont touch the crap...period....been into this scene on and off come 20 years next year and never had/felt the need to drop any numpty drugs yet I had loadsa great times and prob even more so than alot of people that champion the cat A stuff.


Ive thought about it once or twice but I know the risks and TBH why would I need them. Naughty scummy drugs

 

[Huehnerdiebin]

I am very sad for this young man but I agree that he raves now in heaven.

If don`t know how many people dies in Hamburg on the Reeperbahn or near the area central train station because they use drugs. I think it is more than 100 each year.

 

[Beckiboo]

dont touch the crap...period....been into this scene on and off come 20 years next year and never had/felt the need to drop any numpty drugs yet I had loadsa great times and prob even more so than alot of people that champion the cat A stuff.


Ive thought about it once or twice but I know the risks and TBH why would I need them. Naughty scummy drugs

But then what would you say to someone who necks 14 pints and 10 shots on a night out? A possible regular occurance for someone who drinks every weekend? IMO that is a hell of a lot more dangerous that someone who dabbles a bit in non taxable (illegal) drugs every now and then.

Like someone said earlier on, there are FAR more drink related deaths than drug related deaths, yet because drink is sold legally, its seen as the better thing to do.

 

[Super P]

But then what would you say to someone who necks 14 pints and 10 shots on a night out? A possible regular occurance for someone who drinks every weekend? IMO that is a hell of a lot more dangerous that someone who dabbles a bit in non taxable (illegal) drugs every now and then.

Like someone said earlier on, there are FAR more drink related deaths than drug related deaths, yet because drink is sold legally, its seen as the better thing to do.

Not really comparable due to numbers participating in each vice...

In the UK each weekend.

500,000 Vs. Probably 30 Million

You also have to bear in the mind that the long term affects of new drugs are yet to be fully seen as it is such a young drug and even for the first wave, it's only 15 - 20 years gone.

 

[PFD50]

Not really comparable due to numbers participating in each vice...

In the UK each weekend.

500,000 Vs. Probably 30 Million

You also have to bear in the mind that the long term affects of new drugs are yet to be fully seen as it is such a young drug and even for the first wave, it's only 15 - 20 years gone.

EH!!! Legal drugs kill more people every year FACT. We have known the effects of alcohol and tobacco for many years. They kill people FACT. They cause degenerative illnesses FACT.

Cannabis kills how many people each year?
Exstacy kills how many each year?
Penicillin kills how many people each year?
Tabacco kills (very slowly and painfully) how many people each year?

Try google for the answers

 

[Beckiboo]

Not really comparable due to numbers participating in each vice...

In the UK each weekend.

500,000 Vs. Probably 30 Million

You also have to bear in the mind that the long term affects of new drugs are yet to be fully seen as it is such a young drug and even for the first wave, it's only 15 - 20 years gone.

There are actually something like 2million people taking ecstacy in London alone on a weekend. (correct me if I'm wrong someone but I'm sure this is the case)

 

[djchewie]

There are actually something like 2million people taking ecstacy in London alone on a weekend. (correct me if I'm wrong someone but I'm sure this is the case)

thats 1 in 4 of the london population.

christ, no wonder everyone hates going to work on mondays.

 

[Beckiboo]

And also... ecstacy has been around since 1914 and was totally legal until 1985. Before being used as a "rave" drug it was used as an appetite/diet drug, and also to help couples having marriage problems!

 

[Super P]

EH!!! Legal drugs kill more people every year FACT. We have known the effects of alcohol and tobacco for many years. They kill people FACT. They cause degenerative illnesses FACT.

Cannabis kills how many people each year?
Exstacy kills how many each year?
Penicillin kills how many people each year?
Tabacco kills (very slowly and painfully) how many people each year?

Try google for the answers

Your not getting my point. I'm aware legal drugs kill more. But's because more people use legal drugs. Therefore you cannot compare numbers. Come up with some ratios and there is a fair argument, however I for one, can't be arsed.

Also 2 Million in London, each weekend. Can't believe that. Fair sure the figure is 500,000 across the UK.