EDM - Predictable?

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Big Wox

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Came across this article recently albeit it a few years old now. Makes for interesting reading:

http://www.discodemons.net/2012/09/09/edm-vs-electronic-dance-music/

Note one of the comments:

Tiesto ruined trance with that over-the-top-epic-hands-in-the-air-this is-totally-super-emotional-awesome vibe - so ridiculously pretentious.

Trance was in better hands with people like Sasha and Digweed.

Never a truer word was spoken. I think it's all become totally boring and predictable now. Thoughts?
 
I think they were more progressive house trance/techno. Trance I suppose is a very loose definition. I think what the poster was trying to put across was trance then went in a very different cheesy direction - and not for the better...
 
yeah I remember the Age of Love and things like that.... which i'm sure they played. I bought many of those records and don't even remember hearing of trance as a genre until closer to 2000. I've never heard S&D named as trance djs and i first heard them around 20 years ago.

EDM itself originally was a catchall to encompass all dance music - its morphed in the US into basically the cheesy commercial stuff played by Calvin Harris, etc.

And yep a lot of it sounds the same today. Not sure about how its 'predictable' though.
 
Cool1g said:
yeah I remember the Age of Love and things like that.... which i'm sure they played. I bought many of those records and don't even remember hearing of trance as a genre until closer to 2000. I've never heard S&D named as trance djs and i first heard them around 20 years ago.

EDM itself originally was a catchall to encompass all dance music - its morphed in the US into basically the cheesy commercial stuff played by Calvin Harris, etc.

And yep a lot of it sounds the same today. Not sure about how its 'predictable' though.
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Hence my comment:

I think what the poster was trying to put across was trance then went in a very different cheesy direction - and not for the better...

I think what I personally meant is it now seems to be very commercially orientated and for the masses. That's life though and probably a sign that I am getting old!
 
Listen to sasha's global underground albums ... Makes a mockery of the stuff you hear today ... Best set I heard from S&D creamfields '99 ...
 
Genres get plagarised for the masses. What is classed as deep house these days is far removed from what I listened to as deep house 10/15 years ago.

EDM has always been shite though. Glad in a sense it morphed into meaning commercial dance music as the terminology has always done my head in. Why did they they feel the need to rebrand it for the American market? It has always been called house music in my book.
 
Dirk Bigler said:
Genres get plagarised for the masses. What is classed as deep house these days is far removed from what I listened to as deep house 10/15 years ago.

EDM has always been shite though. Glad in a sense it morphed into meaning commercial dance music as the terminology has always done my head in. Why did they they feel the need to rebrand it for the American market? It has always been called house music in my book.
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I remember back in the day the term 'hand bag house' which meant the kind of easily accessible house music that had the girls dancing on the sofas while holding their hand bags - basically like SHM or Calvin Harris now. (back then seemed like Hed Kandi dominated this stuff).

not really sure how the definition of edm changed from a catchall encompassing all dance music into what it is today. makes it hard sometimes running a website with EDM in the title! :spank:
 
Cool1g said:
I remember back in the day the term 'hand bag house' which meant the kind of easily accessible house music that had the girls dancing on the sofas while holding their hand bags - basically like SHM or Calvin Harris now. (back then seemed like Hed Kandi dominated this stuff).

not really sure how the definition of edm changed from a catchall encompassing all dance music into what it is today. makes it hard sometimes running a website with EDM in the title! :spank:
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Wouldn't class handbag as like SHM or Calvin Harris of today. Handbag had the likes of Livin Joy, Tin Tin Out, Grace, La Luna and Kenny Dope. There were some cracking tunes in that genre being played. It even then morphed into Hardbag with the likes of Boy George and Tony De Vit. It did maybe have more appeal, but certainly not to the commercial levels of EDM today and the majority of the music being made was decent.

I would honestly rebrand your website. EDM is a bad word.
 
Pablo Montez Junior said:
Bill Brewster explains it all here > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/calvin-harris-controversy-artistry-club-culture

Sounds like Cool1g needs to study a bit of history if he thinks trance started in 2000!
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you misunderstood what I said and it might be a bit unclear re-reading - all i was saying i don't remember hearing the world trance used with a type of dance music until the late 1990s.
Dirk Bigler said:
Wouldn't class handbag as like SHM or Calvin Harris of today. Handbag had the likes of Livin Joy, Tin Tin Out, Grace, La Luna and Kenny Dope. There were some cracking tunes in that genre being played. It even then morphed into Hardbag with the likes of Boy George and Tony De Vit. It did maybe have more appeal, but certainly not to the commercial levels of EDM today and the majority of the music being made was decent.

I would honestly rebrand your website. EDM is a bad word.
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too late to re-brand -too established. We've been around long enough and people that read our site as well as industry people know we cover all aspects of dance so we'll just keep carrying on :)
 
Trance was first used as a term in Goa early 90s but the roots go way back to likes of tangerine dream in the 70s, also krautrock, jean michel jarre, pink floyd, and italian cosmic disco early 80s. All of it was influential. The euro techno trance that came out of germany/belgium in early 90s was amazing (esp on r&s records, harthouse, noom) but it died for me mid-90s when people like pvd and corsten made it really boring and formulaic. Then after several aborted attempts by oakenfold the yanks finally got wind of it and repackaged it for their own crowds, hence the nonsense we're hearing today.
 
Pablo Montez Junior said:
Trance was first used as a term in Goa early 90s but the roots go way back to likes of tangerine dream in the 70s, also krautrock, jean michel jarre, pink floyd, and italian cosmic disco early 80s. All of it was influential. The euro techno trance that came out of germany/belgium in early 90s was amazing (esp on r&s records, harthouse, noom) but it died for me mid-90s when people like pvd and corsten made it really boring and formulaic. Then after several aborted attempts by oakenfold the yanks finally got wind of it and repackaged it for their own crowds, hence the nonsense we're hearing today.
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yeah i used to buy R&S and Harthouse records. And I def remember Goa trance being a thing about 99/2000 maybe. I might even have a cd or two with Goa in the name. Not sure what Yanks you are blaming for its downfall as the big room trance djs are/were Oakie, Tiesto, PVD, Ferry, Armin, etc. None of whom are American. If you want to argue they sold out for US club $ that argument I can accept.
 
Just wondering, is everyone on this forum very elitist?

Because I can very happily switch and listen to acts like SHM and Alesso on my ipod and then switch and listen to Finnbassen and Guy Gerber.

Or do people on here just find it unbearable to listen too?
 
There was a really healthy underground rave scene in California in the 90s but it got decimated by the authorities, then for a few years 'dance' died in the US until Oakenfold basically led the new wave and opened the door for the trance/edm guys that followed. The problem is that it was all utter crap. Phoney DJs on stages with messiah complexes. This owed nothing to the music i grew up on and was clearly a great con, so yes, i reserve the right to be elitist. Better to be an elitist than a swindler, no?
 
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