diver
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which one?
is he the guy who books Guetta?
if so, muchisimo explaining to do
What explanation do you need other than eeeeeeeee£££££££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$?
David Guetta Free Party at Dalt Vila, Ibiza on May 26th
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What explanation do you need other than eeeeeeeee£££££££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$?
Housewilly - You are a serial sychophant. Your name is highly unrepresentative of what you are as you are most often seen representing the kinds of artists that have bastardised house music. You say people should be allowed opinions - you mean if they are positive opinions about what you like. I've noticed this over a period of time. You're a goody two shoes. Your the kind of little f*ckhead that sits on the fence or better still sides with the bigger boys. The one single sentence you've offered to this thread is a contradiction in itself. Now at the top of this page it says comments welcome, that means everyone not just fans of Guetta so shut up and p1ss off if you have nothing to say other than to have a dig at people for no reason
there's absolutely no need (or room) for posts like this on our forum
Yes I do book david, I also book a thousand other DJs, many who don't get paid much,some nothing, I have worked hard in this industry for many years. I have worked the underground and the commercial and love them both for the right reasons. I have never met any underground DJs who ultimately don't want commercial success at sometime. At some point in life you need to feed your kids. So I have got involved in this discussion for one reason. Credit where it's due, david is doing this for the right reason, so is the Ims I should know I'm a partner and we probaly wont cover our costs on this gig remeber its free entry, do the math,but we all agreed to do it. If you guys out there who don't like it have issue the don't go. But don't pretend it's something it isn't. You probably don't believe in the moon landing either. since it's probably obvious what I do now if any of the haters want a discussion any time I'm happy to do so, remember the whole idea of dance music and ibiza was live and let live not too cool for your own good, buenas noches amigos x
GazDaBomb
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im not hear to slate Guetta though he is is not my cup of tea but i would argue a successful DJ such as Guetta, Tiesto, Prydz, SHM needs to release commercial music to feed their kids.
Most artists that do this have been incredibly successful and have a global following before they release into the charts. Its their previous success that allows them to work with the people they do.
The only reason these Dj's release into the charts is to make even more money, not to make money to get by each day, lets not get forget how much money these guys earn, Guetta and the likes could probably put on a free party with the cash in their wallets!!
Just incase people are wondering i have seen all said Dj's above pre and post commercial success!
i am also watching Guetta on Celebrity Juice!!
Most artists that do this have been incredibly successful and have a global following before they release into the charts. Its their previous success that allows them to work with the people they do.
The only reason these Dj's release into the charts is to make even more money, not to make money to get by each day, lets not get forget how much money these guys earn, Guetta and the likes could probably put on a free party with the cash in their wallets!!
Just incase people are wondering i have seen all said Dj's above pre and post commercial success!
i am also watching Guetta on Celebrity Juice!!
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Why would people open a thread about something they had no interest in just to hand out a lot of high horsed abuse? It's the usual suspects as well who look down on everyone elses taste in music from their "you peasants know nothing about music yeah?" seats. F**k going clubbing with you lot .... standing around scowling and having really dull conversations about how f**king cool you all are....
GazDaBomb
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I think the main reason people become haters are because dj's generally have to change their style to become a commercial hit moving away from the fans that made them the success in the first place.
I spent many years and a lot of money following Tiesto, i remember him giving away Lethal Industry on CD when he was warming up at one night and nobody really knew who he was. If you told me on that night that fast forward 10 years he would have commercial success with busta rymes, i would have laughed you out of the venue and then cried!!
I spent many years and a lot of money following Tiesto, i remember him giving away Lethal Industry on CD when he was warming up at one night and nobody really knew who he was. If you told me on that night that fast forward 10 years he would have commercial success with busta rymes, i would have laughed you out of the venue and then cried!!
ha ha ha i hear ya gaz, but thats life, i started booking djs wen they were 200 quid a night some of the biggest, but time moves on. all the best artists in the world not just djs started as cool underground but then they get lucky and who can blame them. beatles at the cavern, the stones in a pub and sasha at shellys in stoke. come on you mighty potters lets have the FA cup next week end
OK, some thoughts here - plenty of others on here know the island's nightclubbing much better than myself so I'm fully braced for the savaging which may follow
Now of course everyone's gotta eat - that's not the point, nobody's going to dispute that.
The key problem is (without wanting to personalise this too much) people like yourself are directly responsible for the commercialisation of Ibiza and the global perception is you are getting fat on the back of the island's reputation. And, in a way, who can blame you? It is easy money when you compare your lot to that of a teacher or a council worker in austerity UK.
You don't appear to be a music man because you don't appreciate that serious club people don't want to see pete tong and those talentless swedes and that moron in the mouse outfit who can barely beatmatch and all of whom value celebrity status above any love for the music.
Now ok you can reply "well just don't come then" and I did bear that in mind last summer when I went back to Ibiza. And what I saw in the various bars/small clubs I went to gave me hope and reassurance that the commercial monster hasn't completely taken over the nightlife. I know some extremely talented DJs based in Ibiza who contrary to what you said have no commercial aspirations whatsoever. But they do want to get their music heard. And they're continually frustrated by the club politics. And the majority of tourists won't even know they exist. I find it really sad. You're ripping naive kids off, kids who don't know any better, kids who believe they're buying into the 'ibiza experience' and yet are getting extremely short-changed. They come on this forum all the time, excited, wide-eyed, they save up all year to see dodgy DJs in Ibiza. It's a total travesty of what a clubbing holiday should be about. Most of the DJs in Croatia or Berlin are really humble guys, all mixing with the tourists quite happily, no egos, no pretence, no branding everywhere. Strictly about the music.
It's what the big Ibiza discotecas could be if you weren't so consumed by €€€€€ You're selling a false version of house music and dance music, a pastiche of went before and you're making megabucks on the back of the tourism trade. You're hiring DJs not fit to play at my local pub and yet you're still hyping them into orbit. It is this I object to. I've been going to clubs for 20+ years and I've been to parties in total toilets, backrooms, disgusting, intimidating venues and you know what made them worthwhile, it was the music, the DJs love for the music. And those guys you see on those billboards, I don't think they do love music. I think they see it as a paycheck, a very easy paycheck. It's a fake, grubby industry masquerading as something higher and anyone with a soul can not justify that. Sorry does that sound too hippy? Well it's not just me and it's not just a few old grumpy beards. There's anger on all sorts of dance forums and open contempt for your booking policy. By all means drive the heads away but if you want to create another Thaliraki you're doing a good job.
Am I being too harsh? Maybe I am? I don't know you or your history, maybe I am completely barking up the wrong tree, maybe I have the wrong man, maybe I have just hammered the final nail into the coffin of my already non-existent reputation (hurrah, they all cheer!) - my entire post is purely based on your tone so far, which seems to me to reek of self-justification. One free gig = 1000s of PR points. Perhaps you also can tell us how much Daveed earns at an average night? I'm sure any losses are more than offset by the rest of the year's takings. Or am I being too cynical? I hope not.
Perhaps you can shoot each and every one of my points down in flames and if you could do that then I am honestly all ears. It would offer me a lot of reassurance that your heart is in the right place. But I felt compelled to respond on this thread - no trolling whatsoever - these are serious points - because I was riled by you mentioning his "millions of fans" - suggesting to me you are strictly a numbers man and quite frankly from my vantage point, there are simply too many of them in clubland right now...
Now of course everyone's gotta eat - that's not the point, nobody's going to dispute that.
The key problem is (without wanting to personalise this too much) people like yourself are directly responsible for the commercialisation of Ibiza and the global perception is you are getting fat on the back of the island's reputation. And, in a way, who can blame you? It is easy money when you compare your lot to that of a teacher or a council worker in austerity UK.
You don't appear to be a music man because you don't appreciate that serious club people don't want to see pete tong and those talentless swedes and that moron in the mouse outfit who can barely beatmatch and all of whom value celebrity status above any love for the music.
Now ok you can reply "well just don't come then" and I did bear that in mind last summer when I went back to Ibiza. And what I saw in the various bars/small clubs I went to gave me hope and reassurance that the commercial monster hasn't completely taken over the nightlife. I know some extremely talented DJs based in Ibiza who contrary to what you said have no commercial aspirations whatsoever. But they do want to get their music heard. And they're continually frustrated by the club politics. And the majority of tourists won't even know they exist. I find it really sad. You're ripping naive kids off, kids who don't know any better, kids who believe they're buying into the 'ibiza experience' and yet are getting extremely short-changed. They come on this forum all the time, excited, wide-eyed, they save up all year to see dodgy DJs in Ibiza. It's a total travesty of what a clubbing holiday should be about. Most of the DJs in Croatia or Berlin are really humble guys, all mixing with the tourists quite happily, no egos, no pretence, no branding everywhere. Strictly about the music.
It's what the big Ibiza discotecas could be if you weren't so consumed by €€€€€ You're selling a false version of house music and dance music, a pastiche of went before and you're making megabucks on the back of the tourism trade. You're hiring DJs not fit to play at my local pub and yet you're still hyping them into orbit. It is this I object to. I've been going to clubs for 20+ years and I've been to parties in total toilets, backrooms, disgusting, intimidating venues and you know what made them worthwhile, it was the music, the DJs love for the music. And those guys you see on those billboards, I don't think they do love music. I think they see it as a paycheck, a very easy paycheck. It's a fake, grubby industry masquerading as something higher and anyone with a soul can not justify that. Sorry does that sound too hippy? Well it's not just me and it's not just a few old grumpy beards. There's anger on all sorts of dance forums and open contempt for your booking policy. By all means drive the heads away but if you want to create another Thaliraki you're doing a good job.
Am I being too harsh? Maybe I am? I don't know you or your history, maybe I am completely barking up the wrong tree, maybe I have the wrong man, maybe I have just hammered the final nail into the coffin of my already non-existent reputation (hurrah, they all cheer!) - my entire post is purely based on your tone so far, which seems to me to reek of self-justification. One free gig = 1000s of PR points. Perhaps you also can tell us how much Daveed earns at an average night? I'm sure any losses are more than offset by the rest of the year's takings. Or am I being too cynical? I hope not.
Perhaps you can shoot each and every one of my points down in flames and if you could do that then I am honestly all ears. It would offer me a lot of reassurance that your heart is in the right place. But I felt compelled to respond on this thread - no trolling whatsoever - these are serious points - because I was riled by you mentioning his "millions of fans" - suggesting to me you are strictly a numbers man and quite frankly from my vantage point, there are simply too many of them in clubland right now...
Has it ever occured to you that people may just like the music.... have a few beers or whatever and have fun with their mates? I don't know you but you come across as a miserable, obnoxious, fastidious, attention seeking bore who has completely lost the point of dance music. I can't stand a lot of music but your constant need to undermine other peoples tastes and the revolting, sneering manner in which you do it has given me an unhealthy and pathalogical loathing of your self obsessed need to appear to be a miserable, know it all bastard. I don't really give a toss about what you think about music... i like what i like. If it's off your angst filled "cool" radar then i'm afraid i don't give a f**k. I will be having it large on the dancefloor while you are stood shaking your head and filling in a complaint form about people actually enjoying themselves without your approval.
ok this is all true no bull****,
i grew up in the 60s in stoke on trent, 14 people in a 2 bed terrace house, at 16 i went in the military where i served in the falklands during the war and after 5 years left and served 10 years in the fire brigade. i had to leave the brigade due to injury, in the mean time my music tastes had moved from soul and funk to underground dance music so followed a career in dance music. i didnt exploit the scene the market did, its the way life goes, i didnt exploit ibiza the market did, i just hung on in there and made something for myself and at the same time never forgot my roots and always stay in touch with whats going on and try to give up coming people a chance, be it djs, promoters, designers etc. your comment about the free gig just makes me think why ****in bother. just because people are succesfull doesnt make them ****ers and i have seen it from both sides as you can see. well there my **** right out in the open, comments welcome
WeLuvIbiza
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Morbyd
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OK, my turn.
I've made this analogy before on the forum... This discussion reminds me so much of the late 1980s when I hung out with the punk/gothic/alternative crowd back home in the US. As soon as any artist got too commercial, the daggers came out. It was as if they were no longer worthy of our hard-earned small change from our piddly after-school jobs if there were actually millions of other people listening to the same music. It had to be obscure or else it wasn't cool enough to discuss in public (although you could still listen to, for example, the Cure's Pornography as long as you didn't mention Kiss Me x3).
I'm over that with rock/pop music.... but nowadays, I'll engage in house music snobbery as much as the next guy. I personally don't like what Guetta has become. He showed promise at the beginning of last decade, and it all went awry from there (plus I blame him for the ruin of the once decent Bob Sinclar).
But there's a difference between this and those punk years. I no longer begrudge the man's right to make a mint. It's his style of music that I find unlistenable. But if I'm honest, he does deserve some credit for bringing more ears to the glorious world of electronic dance music.
It's like when you drank bottled wine spritzers in your youth... the hope is that you'll eventually move on to be able to appreciate a good bottle of Chianti. Some will, some won't. But either way, at least they're some people working in a vineyard making some money.
Anyway, so credit to Guetta where it's due (but shame on him for all this club VIP nonsense). And good on him for doing a free show for his fans because he's got a lot of bottled wine spritzer lovers. The thing about commercial house music is that without it there would be no underground. You can't have an underground to a scene that has no ground.
I hope at least one of those points is coherent. I just woke up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep
Oh, and really no reason to get personal in this discussion, people. That's pretty rude (see Housewilly post above)
I've made this analogy before on the forum... This discussion reminds me so much of the late 1980s when I hung out with the punk/gothic/alternative crowd back home in the US. As soon as any artist got too commercial, the daggers came out. It was as if they were no longer worthy of our hard-earned small change from our piddly after-school jobs if there were actually millions of other people listening to the same music. It had to be obscure or else it wasn't cool enough to discuss in public (although you could still listen to, for example, the Cure's Pornography as long as you didn't mention Kiss Me x3
).I'm over that with rock/pop music.... but nowadays, I'll engage in house music snobbery as much as the next guy.
I personally don't like what Guetta has become. He showed promise at the beginning of last decade, and it all went awry from there (plus I blame him for the ruin of the once decent Bob Sinclar). But there's a difference between this and those punk years. I no longer begrudge the man's right to make a mint. It's his style of music that I find unlistenable. But if I'm honest, he does deserve some credit for bringing more ears to the glorious world of electronic dance music.
It's like when you drank bottled wine spritzers in your youth... the hope is that you'll eventually move on to be able to appreciate a good bottle of Chianti. Some will, some won't. But either way, at least they're some people working in a vineyard making some money.
Anyway, so credit to Guetta where it's due (but shame on him for all this club VIP nonsense). And good on him for doing a free show for his fans because he's got a lot of bottled wine spritzer lovers. The thing about commercial house music is that without it there would be no underground. You can't have an underground to a scene that has no ground.
I hope at least one of those points is coherent. I just woke up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep
Oh, and really no reason to get personal in this discussion, people. That's pretty rude (see Housewilly post above)
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i'm not liking the argumentative antagonism on this thread and others these days.
can i remind you all that ibiza spotlight is a private, commercial business whose main aim is making a profit. the financing of this forum comes from our income and we would like to think that some of our income comes as a spin off from this forum attracting more members who become familiar with the products/services we sell.
i'm absolutely certain that the attitude of certain members of this forum is not encouraging new members who are not familiar of old with them.
one forum member on this thread has already gone. i'd rather not ban any more so please think carefully when you next post
can i remind you all that ibiza spotlight is a private, commercial business whose main aim is making a profit. the financing of this forum comes from our income and we would like to think that some of our income comes as a spin off from this forum attracting more members who become familiar with the products/services we sell.
i'm absolutely certain that the attitude of certain members of this forum is not encouraging new members who are not familiar of old with them.
one forum member on this thread has already gone. i'd rather not ban any more so please think carefully when you next post
At its most basic level, to bring people together for a dance? It's supposed to be fun isn't it? There are people on here ready to jump into threads and condescend others because their taste of music isn't "cool" or underground enough. I opened the Tracks for 2011 thread and tbh some of the tracks in there made my ears bleed because they were hugely dull but i certainly wouldn't be rude to other people about it or look down my nose at them.
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Guetta plays fun , commercial tunes which bring more people to Ibiza which in turn educates more people on good music when they go to DC 10 or Cocoon.
When did Ibiza become about have the same tunes everywhere.
Atleast Guetta plays fun messy tunes for a bunch of people who actually like not having to think about his music.
Who cares if everyone is having fun. People on the Internet just wanna hate something!!!
When did Ibiza become about have the same tunes everywhere.
Atleast Guetta plays fun messy tunes for a bunch of people who actually like not having to think about his music.
Who cares if everyone is having fun. People on the Internet just wanna hate something!!!
Buckley
Well-Known Member
Guetta's always going to slated on the internet. It's barely worth discussing: folks who care passionately about house music are always going to see him as the anti-Christ and it's completely understandable.
But we all sell out, we all go to work and, for the most part, people do something they don't love for the money. Does it matter more if someone sells out something you love? Not really, the game's the same and if you're gonna sell, why not sell big?
This sort of stuff comes with massive commercial success - you can't claim to be doing anything 'for the right reasons' because you yourself plus any educated observers know that at this high point in your trajectory, everything you do, even for 'free' brings benefits. What's it worth to the Guetta juggernaught to be the star of IMS? Nothing? 'Course not - it's more marketing, pure and simple. But if you've paid 50 euros to get into Space, you've been in the Smirnoff lounge (or whichever vodka it was) in Es Vive in at 6am, it's a bit late to get snotty about the monster you fed growing fat.
I realise people get so worked up about it because they see they it as degrading something that matters to them, but ultimately the man makes a ****ton of money making pop music. It's got very little to do with what you're into, so who cares?
But we all sell out, we all go to work and, for the most part, people do something they don't love for the money. Does it matter more if someone sells out something you love? Not really, the game's the same and if you're gonna sell, why not sell big?
This sort of stuff comes with massive commercial success - you can't claim to be doing anything 'for the right reasons' because you yourself plus any educated observers know that at this high point in your trajectory, everything you do, even for 'free' brings benefits. What's it worth to the Guetta juggernaught to be the star of IMS? Nothing? 'Course not - it's more marketing, pure and simple. But if you've paid 50 euros to get into Space, you've been in the Smirnoff lounge (or whichever vodka it was) in Es Vive in at 6am, it's a bit late to get snotty about the monster you fed growing fat.
I realise people get so worked up about it because they see they it as degrading something that matters to them, but ultimately the man makes a ****ton of money making pop music. It's got very little to do with what you're into, so who cares?
GazDaBomb
Active Member
Ibiza has always had a commercial / cheesy side and it always will, 8 years ago i was talking to a guy in Iticia who only wanted to see Dave Pearce while he was in Ibiza and he really hoped he was going to play '3 of a Kind - Baby Cakes', there was probably more demand for commercial dance music in the very late 90's early 00's when the island was busier than it is now (someone may have to confirm this claim?) and many people were just there for a piss up and not the club nights or Dj's
My main Issue with it all is when Guetta, Tiesto etc comes on the radio and people make comments like 'this is the stuff you like isnt it' i also want to report MTV dance to trade descriptions but thats another story!!!!!
My main Issue with it all is when Guetta, Tiesto etc comes on the radio and people make comments like 'this is the stuff you like isnt it' i also want to report MTV dance to trade descriptions but thats another story!!!!!