Cream 2014

onemore said:
I know little about trance these days so cant really add anything to the BPM debate.

When i say that Cream will have booked the artists - they will have, but obviously when putting a line up together it is tailored towards the headline act...which may explain the bookings on the A&B nights, they have been put together to compliment the headliners. The headliners/their representatives may have indicated a few names to the promoters obviously.

An example - We have a Bedrock show in Liverpool later this month. We have worked with John Digweeds representatives when we were booking the rest of the line up. We were not told who to book - it was a team discussion. That sort of stuff happens all the time. It is artist representatives looking after their artists.

If you had a promoter who didnt know what he was doing (obviously i am NOT including cream in this) - you end up with a situation where the support act didnt compliment the main artist at all.
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I'm totally with you on the acts complimenting each other thing. That has to be done.

I suppose the real core of the problem then is the choosing of two headline acts that differ from each other so much. That said, finding someone to compete with PvD in terms of stature within the 140 bracket as a headliner isn't easy.
 
Phil_Dicko said:
I'm totally with you on the acts complimenting each other thing. That has to be done.

I suppose the real core of the problem then is the choosing of two headline acts that differ from each other so much. That said, finding someone to compete with PvD in terms of stature within the 140 bracket as a headliner isn't easy.
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100% correct mate. As i say i know little about trance these days but, i do know that both PVD and A&B are big big names in that scene. So it makes sense for cream to have them on (indeed both have long standing relationships with the brand). If they both play at differing ends of the trance spectrum then, from creams point of view, thats a good thing as it means they are offering 'something for everyone' within the trance market place.

If an individual clubber has strong likes/dislikes of artists/bpm wthin the trance scene - then obviously its not the best for them. But the promoter needs to fill a club every week..
 
onemore said:
thats a good thing as it means they are offering 'something for everyone' within the trance market place.
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Well, yeah, 'something for everyone' but spread across different nights rather than within them. Assuming that the majority of clubbers will only be at one date per season, you really risk disappointing people.

And Cream have made it worse for themselves by making the PvD support so much more appealing than the A&B support. I love both ends of the spectrum by the way and I appreciate most of acts on the line up (either as producers or DJs). But the PvD line ups are so much more heavyweight and anyone who truly knows the trance scene on the island during one of those A&B dates is left looking at what they could have had.
 
Phil_Dicko said:
Well, yeah, 'something for everyone' but spread across different nights rather than within them. Assuming that the majority of clubbers will only be at one date per season, you really risk disappointing people.

And Cream have made it worse for themselves by making the PvD support so much more appealing than the A&B support. I love both ends of the spectrum by the way and I appreciate most of acts on the line up (either as producers or DJs). But the PvD line ups are so much more heavyweight and anyone who truly knows the trance scene on the island during one of those A&B dates is left looking at what they could have had.
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i totally see what you are saying. it seems like this 'BPM divide' is really menaing that line ups are either one thing or the other....
 
onemore said:
i totally see what you are saying. it seems like this 'BPM divide' is really menaing that line ups are either one thing or the other....
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Yes. This is creeping more and more into trance atm. Guys like Ferry Corsten, Above & Beyond, etc all product slower trance & electro, but guys like PvD still play the faster, harder stuff.
Planning lineups around that can be difficult.

A lot of people like their night to build up from Prog and slow trance like what A&B are playing up to what PvD are playing.
But at places like Cream, the slower bpm headliners are on so late that that kind of a drop in pace can be somewhat noticeable, especially with a high energetic set from the likes of someone like Jordan Suckley. I see musically why they've kept the divide, and I see it as a promoter as well, but as a clubber, it's good to have the best of both worlds.
 
I for one am over the moon with those line ups, bar the Anjuna nights. As a trance fan they have really upped their game by bringing in the likes of Kearney, Sneijder, Patterson and Askew. Particularly Kearney who was well overdue his shot at the cream main room.
 
Lineup looks alot better than recent years imo.

Good mixture between the 2 ends of the spectrum, don't think the Anjuna lineups are that bad for the slower end of the BPM scale.
 
Some great line ups this year with some quality trance dj's, Patterson, Kearney, sneijder, aly and fila, pvd, oakey, ottraviani, suckley, askew etc
But the date I'm over the line up is pants... A&B, Matt Zo, Gareth wyn.
Finally made it to ibiza last year for the first time and A&B were headlining then and the night was a major disappointment.
Already looking at extending our stay by a couple of nights just so we can head to cream the following week to catch pvd, oakey, aly and fila and Paul Webster. The Patterson and Kearney nights are gonna be great nights to be there! So gutted to be missing those.
Can't wait to see the asot @ Ushuaia line ups, got the potential to make some very memorable Thursdays!
 
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I am absolutely over the moon with the closing party 25th September.

Top line up in my opinion. I couldnt have asked for better.

Any idea when tickets will go on sale?
 
Phil_Dicko said:
Well, yeah, 'something for everyone' but spread across different nights rather than within them. Assuming that the majority of clubbers will only be at one date per season, you really risk disappointing people.

And Cream have made it worse for themselves by making the PvD support so much more appealing than the A&B support. I love both ends of the spectrum by the way and I appreciate most of acts on the line up (either as producers or DJs). But the PvD line ups are so much more heavyweight and anyone who truly knows the trance scene on the island during one of those A&B dates is left looking at what they could have had.
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I 100% agree with you here. I have 2 Thursdays in Ibiza this July, and I was initially only going to do Cream just once on my final night, but seeing as it's only Above & Beyond who I want to see on my final night, I feel like I can't miss out on PVD and Brian Kearney. The PVD nights are just so much more tempting. The support for A & B also doesn't appeal to me either. I'm not a massive fan of Mat Zo, especially after his comments about trance. I find his sound quite boring to be honest.


My biggest problem now is how my brain is going to cope with doing 2 ASOT and Cream doubles!! I couldn't possibly see myself in bed whilst Kearney is blasting out a banging 140bpm set!
 
chojek said:
I 100% agree with you here. I have 2 Thursdays in Ibiza this July, and I was initially only going to do Cream just once on my final night, but seeing as it's only Above & Beyond who I want to see on my final night, I feel like I can't miss out on PVD and Brian Kearney. The PVD nights are just so much more tempting. The support for A & B also doesn't appeal to me either. I'm not a massive fan of Mat Zo, especially after his comments about trance. I find his sound quite boring to be honest.


My biggest problem now is how my brain is going to cope with doing 2 ASOT and Cream doubles!! I couldn't possibly see myself in bed whilst Kearney is blasting out a banging 140bpm set!
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There is no way you can miss Kearney in Cream. Im just gutted i wont be there for the opening party, i know for a fact this is a dream come true for him so both sets are gonna be something special. We are gonna be there from thursday to friday so will have two creams and it is safe to say i will not be going to A&B on the second thursday.

I did the season last year and gave them a chance a couple of times and they were utter a tripe!!
 
Hughie_ said:
There is no way you can miss Kearney in Cream. Im just gutted i wont be there for the opening party, i know for a fact this is a dream come true for him so both sets are gonna be something special. We are gonna be there from thursday to friday so will have two creams and it is safe to say i will not be going to A&B on the second thursday.

I did the season last year and gave them a chance a couple of times and they were utter a tripe!!
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You're right, there's no chance I can miss it. Knowing it'll mean the world to him makes me even more excited. I can't wait for it!

Thanks for the heads up, I might just skip A&B on my final Thursday and go to Space instead. With Gareth Wyn and Mat Zo for support, whilst Calvin Harris pumps radio music in the terrace, I'm just not that excited for it. Even their remixes of Oceanlab classics sound really tame. A&B's music doesn't have the same emotion for me any more.
 
chojek said:
A&B's music doesn't have the same emotion for me any more.
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I think a lot of trance fans (probably more so those who have been listening to trance since before 2007/2008) are just bored to death of A&B these days. The label output is nowhere as strong as it was and their sets are just crammed with tunes we have heard countless countless times ... albeit some very good tracks. They're appealing to a slightly different (more EDM-led) crowd. Really, it's worlds away from what Kearney is going to be doing to that room!!

That said, I made a big deal in my last Ibiza review that even though I wasn't overly excited about seeing Above & Beyond in 2012, I ended up having the best night of my holiday. The line up isn't the be all and end all... despite my protests.
 
Whats the deal with A&B and Angello playing at the trance week again? Guess they just use Angello to fill up the venue that late in the season?

Other than that great lineups.
 
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Kline said:
Whats the deal with A&B and Angello playing at the trance week again? Guess they just use Angello to fill up the venue that late in the season?

Other than that great lineups.
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The Terrace has been 'EDM' for a few years now. Angello, Calvin Harris, Laidback Luke, etc. It's definitely now the bigger draw than their main room lineups. Well, this season may be different, some stunning lineups. Could Cream have actually put this together without knowing about the Island of Trance week?
 
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