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white_isle_calling said:
I do hear the frustrations about gyms being shut extended, and I think everybody should be putting pressure on their local MP to ensure that gyms are exempt moving forward, but putting people into a lockdown over Xmas (that they're going to break anyway) is another action that will cause a lot of misery to people's mental health
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There are probably going to be severe restrictions on bars, if they are open at all.
Either - people mix in controlled areas with distancing and sanitation with track and trace available.
Or they all go round everyone's homes, meet in uncontrolled environments until the early hours and covid spreads with no track and trace.
Boris - you decide.
 
I just don't get the deal with gyms.. can't you just go for a run or a hike and try catch glimpse of yourself in shop or car window.. it's hardly a social thing now with all the restrictions..
 
craig72 said:
I just don't get the deal with gyms.. can't you just go for a run or a hike and try catch glimpse of yourself in shop or car window.. it's hardly a social thing now with all the restrictions..
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I'm with you on that one - all the stuff you can do there you can do at home with the right gear. But it probably is the social aspect, a chance to ogle others!
 
white_isle_calling said:
Let's be honest, most people who "celebrate" Xmas in the UK don't do so for religious reasons, it's because we all get time off work at the same time. That's something you can get behind no matter your religion
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Totally agree with this - I don't know one single individual that celebrates Xmas for religious reasons, it's universally viewed as a bank holiday and a chance to get together with your nearest and dearest at the end of the year and have some time together with plenty of food and drink!

Everyone's had a pretty horrific year at a best-case and has had to make huge sacrifices in their lives on various levels - the bare minimum the government can do is allow people to mix for a few days to have some rest bite with another few tough months of winter ahead!
 
I read on the news websites that scientists have discovered something you can sniff up your nose which prevents you getting and passing on covid.

Now now....
 
LP_IBIZA said:
Totally agree with this - I don't know one single individual that celebrates Xmas for religious reasons, it's universally viewed as a bank holiday and a chance to get together with your nearest and dearest at the end of the year and have some time together with plenty of food and drink!

Everyone's had a pretty horrific year at a best-case and has had to make huge sacrifices in their lives on various levels - the bare minimum the government can do is allow people to mix for a few days to have some rest bite with another few tough months of winter ahead!
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Mix for a few days and have the rest of winter in lockdown, or relax the restrictions a little bit but throughout winter? I'd go for let's put the whole country on level 2 from Dec 2 to spring; and adapt if cases rise/fall. Allow people to travel (abroad if they wish) but let the bars open until 11-11.30 to prevent the mass gatherings when they shut at 10.
I'm absolutely dreading lockdown as it is now extending beyond the new year, that will be one year of the limited number I have left gone.
 
LP_IBIZA said:
Everyone's had a pretty horrific year at a best-case and has had to make huge sacrifices in their lives on various levels - the bare minimum the government can do is allow people to mix for a few days to have some rest bite with another few tough months of winter ahead!
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I see this, but also think allowing a 'normal Xmas' and that what people will take this as, no matter what guidlines are given, says get your old and vunerable and sit them in a room with your kids who have been mixing every day since early September.....
 
Buckley said:
I see this, but also think allowing a 'normal Xmas' and that what people will take this as, no matter what guidlines are given, says get you old and vunerable and sit them in a room with your kids who have been mixing every day since early September.....
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It's a tough one. It needs to be thought through and responsibility placed on individuals, which we can all agree is gonna cause problems, because a lot of people are idiots. Regardless though, idiots are going to be idiots no matter what the official restrictions are

I dare say a lot of people observing Eid and Diwali have also thought the same
 
I'm not convinced December is gonna be all that much fun even before xmas. Swale, which is a couple of boroughs away from me, is probably going to have the highest infection rates in the country by next week. It's a poor, funding deprived area. Covid-denial and conspiracy theories are rife amongst youngsters there.

Their nearest general hospital, which has an appalling reputation, is already at capacity in ICU and covid wards, and they have started sending the overflow to our local hospital which had less than 2 dozen covid patients a week ago.

I think they'll be placed immediately into tier 3, if the national lockdown does end on 3rd December. Although my council is still faring okay, that is gradually going to seep into the community through proxy

Could well be that the north of the UK get a reprieve in December, while us southerners get battered
 
Buckley said:
I see this, but also think allowing a 'normal Xmas' and that what people will take this as, no matter what guidlines are given, says get your old and vunerable and sit them in a room with your kids who have been mixing every day since early September.....
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I think it's each to their own in that regard mate - you can give people the option to associate with a select few other households/family but it's upto each individual if they want to take that risk!

I think we have to be realistic and acknowledge that it's going to be a tough few months for all from January until the spring - but if the government go back to a tiered system for December or at least give everyone a few days together across the festive period, I do feel like that would make a huge difference to the mood and morale of the entire country ahead of the winter we have ahead.

Particularly as whether right or wrong the truth of the matter is the vast majority aren't going to pay a blind bit of notice to the rules across the festive period anyway!
 
Someone posted a quote from this chap elsewhere, so a Googled to find where it had come from. Seems like a very logical view. If the vaccine is really in sight, could we wait out one Xmas period?

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

Scientist warns that mixing at Christmas during Covid poses ‘substantial risks’

SCIENTISTS have warned that mixing at Christmas during the coronavirus pandemic will pose "substantial risks", particularly for older…
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"Andrew Hayward, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at University College London (UCL) and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said the country was "on the cusp" of being able to vaccinate older populations and it would be "tragic" to throw away the gains made in suppressing coronavirus.
He also attacked the Government for "inconsistent" messages over what to do, saying it was clear that if people wanted to avoid Covid-19 they should not mix indoors.
Prof Hayward told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: "Mixing at Christmas does pose substantial risks, particularly in terms of bringing together generations with high incidence of infection with the older generations who currently have much lower levels of infection and are at most risk of dying if they catch Covid.

"My personal view is we’re putting far too much emphasis on having a near-normal Christmas.
"We know respiratory infections peak in January so throwing fuel on the fire over Christmas can only contribute to this."
Prof Andrew Hayward from UCL replied: "We’re on the cusp of being able to protect those elderly people who we love through vaccination and it would be tragic to throw that opportunity away and waste the gains we’ve made during lockdown by trying to return to normality over the holidays."
 
Logically, that makes sense. Emotionally, it's a different story.
People who are and have been towing the line really see Xmas as the payoff for their efforts. And if they were to continue to tow the line through that period, the one's who aren't currently or never have been towing the line will do what they want anyway.

Also, I guess when it comes to elderly relatives, irrespective of Covid, you never know how many Christmases you have left together.

I'm fortunate not being in so much of a tough position, because my last surviving grandparent doesn't like to visit on a normal Christmas! He's strengthened his resolve this year. (my parents invited him out of courtesy, knowing he would say no)

But, yeah, that's gonna be a tough call for lots of families. I don't envy them
 
Hally said:
Can only speak for experience in UK but the second wave is definitely disease driven here
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Same in Germany, my friend is a nurse in a Berlin hospital and she said during the first wave it wasn't too bad where the worked, this time round she said it's far worse. The original post was a load of bollocks, as usual.
 
My parents and sister live 10k away, we go for dinner to their house on Dec 26th. Me+3 my parents and Sister+ hubby . Christmas day is a big deal for my Mrs family Home.. usually buffet lunch and drinks loads of visitors as there's about 30 aunts uncles cousins kids partners all living where we live. So busy I often fck off home for a breather 2 or 3 hours unnoticed..... I'm really looking forward to this year..
 
CraigyB said:
Back to work today and missing quarantine already :lol:
Id be happy with gym and grass roots sports for all being allowed in January.
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That would suit me. Extra month for ligament damage to clear up and wouldn't have to decide whether playing in December is too big a risk to small chance of family trip to Tenerife over Xmas
 
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