Car Hire - Pre pay fuel question?
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Morbyd
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Bit of a contradiction there
As said earlier, for 5 days on a small island, it might not make sense.
But for any rental during which you'd be filling up at the petrol station, it's really no-harm, no-foul. (and I've compared the prices they charge for the fuel. Most of the time they're consistent with market prices, sometimes slightly less!)
The price you pay NEVER includes fuel and never has
What???!!
Of Course it does.
I rent a car its got a full tank of fuel included otherwise I would not be able to drive out of Airport.
Morbyd
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And they tell you to bring it back with a full tank!I rent a car its got a full tank of fuel included otherwise I would not be able to drive out of Airport.
If not, then they've charged you for the tank of petrol. Check your receipt
I've rented cars all over the world and I've never seen a case where it wasn't one or the other
And they tell you to bring it back with a full tank!
If not, then they've charged you for the tank of petrol. Check your receipt
I've rented cars all over the world and I've never seen a case where it wasn't one or the other
If I decide to drive only to Playa Den Bossa and back then its still a full tank or I might have to put 2 euro into it.
My point being, and seeing that we are getting technical here, terms and conditions etc, If I choose not to drive the car or very little, I will only get charged for the time I drive the car.
With a 60e Fuel fee I am being forced to pay for fuel I may never use. Its not my choice anymore.
I have a choice with full tank out full tank in policy at how I manage my fuel economy.
"I've seen the products, And the other world of waste. I've seen the colour of corruption"
It all comes down to the gap in price between the 2 fuel charging methods (which can be alot).If the premium is still less once you've paid for your full tank upfront then its worth it , if the more expensive premium (bring back full) plus whatever petrol u expect to use is less then thats the better option.
Or maybe we're all saying the same thing in round about ways
Or maybe we're all saying the same thing in round about ways
Morbyd
Moderator
Well, yes. But that's not what you were saying above... twice!
You said that the full tank is "included". It isn't. You have to bring the car back with a full tank so you have to go fill it up at the petrol station, correct? Thus, you are paying for the fuel you use. It's not "included" in the price you pay the car hire firm. If you don't bring it back full, they'll charge you for the fuel on the credit card account you've left behind!
The difference here is if you are paying the money to the car hire firm or to the petrol station. And for the 100th time, it only matters if you're not going to be using a full tank over the rental period (I almost always do). Obviously, in that case, the latter option is preferable.
[FONT="]Last year I visited Ibiza twice and used DoYouSpain to rent my car. On the July visit the car was supplied by BK who charged me 60 Euro for the tank of petrol. Having used the car every day I clocked up some 350 Km during the week but still took the car back with over a quarter of a tank. On our September visit the car was supplied by Centauro (about 100 Metres from BK). The car was a larger diesel which we were having for 10 days. They charged me 40 Euros for approx half a tank of diesel and over the 10 day period I clocked up over 450Km. The tank was just about dry on my return. Unfortunately just about all the major companies now charge for a full tank if the rental period is over 3 day. 
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kimajy
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If people are told they will have to buy a tank of fuel that's non-refundable if it's not used it's not "corrupt" surely ? I don't get a rebate if I check in to my hotel on a compulsory breakfast-included basis, then stay out all day and all night and crawl back in at noon the next day just in time for check-out (never !
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But if the tank of fuel option is chargeable at full pump prices or higher, anyone with common sense can work out that the likelihood is they'll end up handing back unused fuel and so the effective cost of their rental will be an unspecified amount higher than the rental price, up to the cost of the tank of fuel. It's just hire revenue by the back door for the company. It's a problem where companies don't quote specific figures for the cost of a tank or the pricing mechanism at booking time. Some do, some don't.
Personally I hate discount car hire booking sites because most don't reveal who the hire company is until you have paid - biggest bug bear.
There's often a high risk of 'possible extras' and sometimes you can't get a figure/price for the cost of an inclusive tank (or out-of-hours fees and the like) before you've booked/paid without calling a premium phone line, even if you know you'll be buying a whole tank (for example) in principle. Companies like Goldcar in Malaga charge far more than the pump price for a tank (or did last year anyway). All of that rubbish is not playing ball and best avoided by just going somewhere with clear inclusive transparent pricing if you can and it's in your budget. Still, in Europe usually full-to-full is best, as long as you don't mind leaving time to fill the tank before you give the car back. imho. That way you only pay for what you use.
The tank-inclusive fee thing is common in the USA in places like Florida, and is usually extremely good value there. I rented a car from Alamo in Orlando for a day on a layover, paid for an entire inclusive tank of fuel, drove 10 miles round trip and gave it back. Worked out less than half the price of a round trip taxi (the alternative option). I felt no pressure to use up the tank of fuel just because I'd been charged for it .. was still quids in overall. It all depends on how you look at things.
To me, the major companies are the international ones or their local franchises (Hertz, Avis, National, Budget etc), which all have in-terminal depots at the airport. They all operate full-to-full policy on fuel as far as I'm aware. It's only the local firms which do the 'pay-for-a-tank' thing.
)... But if the tank of fuel option is chargeable at full pump prices or higher, anyone with common sense can work out that the likelihood is they'll end up handing back unused fuel and so the effective cost of their rental will be an unspecified amount higher than the rental price, up to the cost of the tank of fuel. It's just hire revenue by the back door for the company. It's a problem where companies don't quote specific figures for the cost of a tank or the pricing mechanism at booking time. Some do, some don't.
Personally I hate discount car hire booking sites because most don't reveal who the hire company is until you have paid - biggest bug bear.
There's often a high risk of 'possible extras' and sometimes you can't get a figure/price for the cost of an inclusive tank (or out-of-hours fees and the like) before you've booked/paid without calling a premium phone line, even if you know you'll be buying a whole tank (for example) in principle. Companies like Goldcar in Malaga charge far more than the pump price for a tank (or did last year anyway). All of that rubbish is not playing ball and best avoided by just going somewhere with clear inclusive transparent pricing if you can and it's in your budget. Still, in Europe usually full-to-full is best, as long as you don't mind leaving time to fill the tank before you give the car back. imho. That way you only pay for what you use.
The tank-inclusive fee thing is common in the USA in places like Florida, and is usually extremely good value there. I rented a car from Alamo in Orlando for a day on a layover, paid for an entire inclusive tank of fuel, drove 10 miles round trip and gave it back. Worked out less than half the price of a round trip taxi (the alternative option). I felt no pressure to use up the tank of fuel just because I'd been charged for it .. was still quids in overall. It all depends on how you look at things
.[FONT="]Unfortunately just about all the major companies now charge for a full tank if the rental period is over 3 day.
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To me, the major companies are the international ones or their local franchises (Hertz, Avis, National, Budget etc), which all have in-terminal depots at the airport. They all operate full-to-full policy on fuel as far as I'm aware. It's only the local firms which do the 'pay-for-a-tank' thing.
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Or maybe we're all saying the same thing in round about ways
Yes a bit like 2 fleas fighting over who owns the dog.
Its just the way I see it. I will always prefer the Full/Full as it suits me best.
Its clear some find the Full/Empty works best for them. I didnt think there would be so many.
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icebaer69
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you should suck the fuel you don´t use with a straw out of the tank,
fill it in bottles and put it in your luggage
kimajy
Well-Known Member
you should suck the fuel you don´t use with a straw out of the tank, fill it in bottles and put it in your luggage
.. then Ryanair can charge 50Euros a bottle plus excess kilos to handle it
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icebaer69
Guest
OMG ... we need a doctor ... IS A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE ???
deepseadiver´s condition is going downhill alarmingly fast ...
probably because of the "ibiza-fuel-scandal" =>
http://www.spotlight-forums.com/showpost.php?p=1406906&postcount=15
deepseadiver´s condition is going downhill alarmingly fast ...
probably because of the "ibiza-fuel-scandal"
=>http://www.spotlight-forums.com/showpost.php?p=1406906&postcount=15
JPF
Active Member
If people are told they will have to buy a tank of fuel that's non-refundable if it's not used it's not "corrupt" surely ? I don't get a rebate if I check in to my hotel on a compulsory breakfast-included basis, then stay out all day and all night and crawl back in at noon the next day just in time for check-out (never !
But if the tank of fuel option is chargeable at full pump prices or higher, anyone with common sense can work out that the likelihood is they'll end up handing back unused fuel and so the effective cost of their rental will be an unspecified amount higher than the rental price, up to the cost of the tank of fuel. It's just hire revenue by the back door for the company. It's a problem where companies don't quote specific figures for the cost of a tank or the pricing mechanism at booking time. Some do, some don't.
Personally I hate discount car hire booking sites because most don't reveal who the hire company is until you have paid - biggest bug bear.
There's often a high risk of 'possible extras' and sometimes you can't get a figure/price for the cost of an inclusive tank (or out-of-hours fees and the like) before you've booked/paid without calling a premium phone line, even if you know you'll be buying a whole tank (for example) in principle. Companies like Goldcar in Malaga charge far more than the pump price for a tank (or did last year anyway). All of that rubbish is not playing ball and best avoided by just going somewhere with clear inclusive transparent pricing if you can and it's in your budget. Still, in Europe usually full-to-full is best, as long as you don't mind leaving time to fill the tank before you give the car back. imho. That way you only pay for what you use.
The tank-inclusive fee thing is common in the USA in places like Florida, and is usually extremely good value there. I rented a car from Alamo in Orlando for a day on a layover, paid for an entire inclusive tank of fuel, drove 10 miles round trip and gave it back. Worked out less than half the price of a round trip taxi (the alternative option). I felt no pressure to use up the tank of fuel just because I'd been charged for it .. was still quids in overall. It all depends on how you look at things
To me, the major companies are the international ones or their local franchises (Hertz, Avis, National, Budget etc), which all have in-terminal depots at the airport. They all operate full-to-full policy on fuel as far as I'm aware. It's only the local firms which do the 'pay-for-a-tank' thing.
Why do people always have to blame someone else when things don't suit them.
Why do so many people expect something for free?
You are quiet right. How can this be corrupt?
I have hired many cars in Ibiza, as well as Greece, and mainland Spain.
I pick up a car with a full tank. I return with a full tank.
And just like in the UK, I fill up twenty miles short of the airport which works in my favor.
fatphilb
Well-Known Member
I was also able to use my debit card when I swiped for my Hiper rental, which was a bit of a squeaky bum moment due to my CC being perpetually maxed out.
I feared a massive withdrawal on my current account after we got rear-ended on the last day but no hassles whatsoever.
I feared a massive withdrawal on my current account after we got rear-ended on the last day but no hassles whatsoever.
JPF
Active Member
I accidentally used my debit card once when leaving a deposit.
Due to it be over half-way to four figures, the week later that it got refunded exchange rates were in my favor and I was £20 better off!
JPF
Active Member
unlike me, who will be paying for a full tank and returning it with half a tank.
If you have such an issue either don't hire a god damn car, or book from another company.
It's your choice - it's not like you have a gun pointing at your head.
fatphilb
Well-Known Member
yeah, i don't understand why you don't just dingy the one you've booked and find a different one?
have you paid a deposit? i knew hiper were a full to full operator before i booked...
the two things i was looking for were that it was full to full, and i could use a debit card. it turned out i wasn't supposed to be able to use a debit card, and after my CC failed, he took a look at my visa debit card and was like, this one is ok. pheeeeeeeeeeeewww... (since we'd taken a taxi out to the airport to hire the car and would've felt like total bellends had it not come off!).
read the small print dude!
have you paid a deposit? i knew hiper were a full to full operator before i booked...
the two things i was looking for were that it was full to full, and i could use a debit card. it turned out i wasn't supposed to be able to use a debit card, and after my CC failed, he took a look at my visa debit card and was like, this one is ok. pheeeeeeeeeeeewww... (since we'd taken a taxi out to the airport to hire the car and would've felt like total bellends had it not come off!).
read the small print dude!
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