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I always find Tim Sheridon makes some very, very interesting points. And after part 1, here is part 2.
It's been a good year for nastydirtysexmusic, despite the ups and downs. Organically spawned on a beach in Ibiza by Smokin' Jo and Tim Sheridan, they later took their spirited nastydirty sound to the almighty Space and in September paid a visit to the UK's Ministry of Sound in London. Next up, they are about to unleash a highly anticipated Ibiza closing party, and it's the last dance at a secret location on 4th/5th October.
"At the last party in Ibiza, the world's most dedicated, uncommon and generally odd are fully on parade," warns Tim. So yes, it's a time to get your freak on!
Together, Smokin' Jo and Tim Sheridan share 40 years of DJ experience and in the light of an amazing summer season Xpander dug deep for your entertainment into the origins of this nastydirty species to bring you the latest low down on the genre and its masters.
"I see us as kind of a Kraftwerkyeurythmiccy doohicky," explains Sheridan. Jo meanwhile has been providing vocals in the studio and they both now have lots to say, so read on to discover the latest news as we return to the inspirational issue of nastydirtysexmusic with Jo and Tim...
GREETINGS JO AND TIM, SO HOW HAVE YOU BEEN KEEPING OVER IN IBIZA SINCE OUR PREVIOUS REVELATIONS OF A NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC KIND?
Tim: I am spectacularly radiant thank you, positively glistening! I've been very poor recently and it's a surprisingly liberating experience. Funny isn't it; you never usually see interviews with skint people, but most of us are broke. It's one of the media and music industry's biggest lies! To say I've gone back to the shop floor is an understatement. I'm very happy though! It's great to have an opportunity to start over. This business is phenomenally fickle and I was in the dark for quite a while. It's nice to get such fantastic support from everyone, and the feeling this time around is that it's all working and for the right reasons. It certainly isn't money! We are very much non-profit in approach and the music is the key to it all, so it's quite humbling to have the ego taken out and realise you just play other people's great records... Taking ego and cash out of the equation is nice! It feels good. Plus playing with another DJ, a truly great DJ is a great ego-killer too. So as you can probably surmise, it's been a thought-provoking season here... and you can never reflect too much on things in my book!
Jo: I've been really busy doing my gigs all over the world every weekend as well as playing the new Red Box room at Space every Sunday, which Tim and I have taken over as nastydirtysexmusic; so I'm pretty tired actually. But I must say it's been wicked, each week we've had more and more people coming down especially to see us and cheer us on. The atmosphere in the room is amazing, so no matter how tired I am it's all worth it.
DID THE LONDON MINISTRY OF SOUND GIG FULFIL GREAT EXPECTATIONS, AND ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THE UK FOR MORE?Tim: It's like a lot of nights, in its infancy and very much on a trial period with both parties. It far exceeded expectations, particularly Ministry's I think. I was fairly confident, but naturally nervous. When a friend sends you a CDR of something you know will destroy a dancefloor, and you are one of maybe five people holding it, then that can give you a boost. I suppose that's also one of the biggest buzzes of a DJ's job. It sounds nepotistic, but it's a natural process. You make a tune and you wonder, after hearing it in your head and many days of production, you wonder what it sounds like! It sounds (forgive the pun) like a weird thing to say but you totally lose perspective, or objectivity, or whatever, on your own work. The point is, most art forms demo, or sketch, or practice to progress and that's my favourite stage. It's raw and it's real, but many go on to over-produce. Sometimes it's the manager or record company who suck the life out of it. I've done it a lot in the past. You might think at this stage it is too rough. Better computers and the sheer years people have been at it make the first drafts as well produced as many 'finished' tunes - but with more life in them. A good 75% of the music I play is fairly obscure demos from friends. They sometimes get released but I don't often hear them out, so I think a combination of the rarity and sheer raw life and soul of these CDRs make nastydirty happen. Particularly honourable mentions go to Jon Carter, Matt Edwards of Radio Slave and Tom Mangan/Cass, as these chaps are genii? Geniuses? Whatever... ACE.
Jo: Yeah, you know what? I had an excellent time at Ministry, a lot of our friends turned up to support us, so I felt right at home. The crowd were very into our music and the MOS staff where very enthusiastic about it; they said it was the best night for ages. Tim and I played a slammin' set, we'll be back again on the 16th October.
Tim: I can recommend it; the soundsystem is perfect for our stuff. Really well balanced and that's my professional opinion! I've played on every major system in the world, and so has Jo.
THROUGH EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU FOUND THE DYNAMIC NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BRAND HAS A TRANSFERABLE FORMULA?
Tim: You mean from the beach to Ministry? Absolutely. Nastydirtysexmusic is an idea. Its genesis was a way to name sounds, which by the way is a great game. Also it's utterly essential if you work with sounds. Try it home kids! Choose a sound you really like and give it new name that's more appropriate. Then find a sound with no name (like almost every electronic tone) and it gets better... Am I a very sad man? Very much thank you! Bleep! Blash, Trianguloc. It was a great night at Ministry. I'm not going to sell it too much. The numbers are good and we want to keep it fairly secret! I'll just say everything you think you know about Ministry is wrong. I'm a sound nerd and the system is without peer. Maybe Fabric's can compete, but not many others. I mean... Great layout + best soundsystem + nastydirtysexmusic = ace! (I would say that. Have I sold it enough?) We are taking it everywhere we can, so I hope it works. It's totally about Music (I'm not really up on brand-speak), so that is about as transferable as you can get. A lot of people talk about the 'universal language', but I saw it first hand at my brother's wedding in Tibet. I was playing all sorts at their wedding to a couple of people who'd never heard recorded music, never mind dirty electronic. But you know what? They f***ing love drums, case solved! Next!
HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANY PROBLEMS DURING SETS PLAYING BACK TO BACK WITH EACH OTHER, OR HAS IT ALL BEEN SMOOTH SAILING?
Tim: Well the whole monster was born from smooth connections on the decks. Jo hadn't done it before but we were doing Manumission, or something, and it happened and was great! You don't always get to play top tunes all night (particularly over six hours) on your own, but maybe if half of your tunes are invincible and you DJ with someone else then you get f***ing ace records all night. I feel personally it's the bomb for a party because you get two professionals really working. I can say I coast and zone out on my own, as I'm sure other DJ's might admit. It's why you have two people flying a plane! We have comical tiffs over tunes before gigs, and do talk about things in a post-match kind of way sometimes, but on the decks it's pure smooth sailing shipmates. Shiver me liver.
Jo: No, there are no problems really. It's been good fun, and a great experience for me. I had only tried it once before last year, and I really hated it. So after having a go with Tim at Space last summer it turned me around. Tim is such a great DJ and has a more eclectic style than me, so it has opened me up to trying out slightly different stuff, which I may not have played in my usual sets. It's much more fun playing back to back too, it's almost like a battle I suppose with each one trying to drop a better tune than the last. Sometimes it's just about getting into the flow with each other, and on a good night it's awesome. At Space last week we rocked, if I do say so myself. The odd time Tim might play a track I don't like, and I may play one he doesn't like, but it's no big deal; we either don't play it again or tell the other to piss off and carry on playing it!
JO, YOU SPUN THE 'NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC' TRACK ON THE UK'S RADIO 1 IN AUGUST, HOW HAS IT GONE DOWN SINCE AND WILL IT GET A RELEASE ON TIM'S SAVILLE ROW LABEL MAYBE?
Tim: The music industry is unrecognisable in the shadow of the internet. I'm kind of making stuff for us to play as nastydirty now! The only people who really make a living in the music industry are the nine to fivers, the proper job squad, the labels and that. If you sell albums globally you might recoup the money 'lent' to you but that means you'd be U2, not a couple of freaks in a basement. Saville Row is a brave thing to do in the current climate but, no, nastydirty is about CDRs, the internet, free parties and an exchange of information. Don't get me wrong, we'd love to put out our tracks, but it would take a vision that many labels just can't afford in their mind anymore. I never made anything out of a 10-year recording 'career', and you'll find it's very common. I must mention though, that Jo does the vocals and is f***ing brilliant! She has the most velvety tones, perfect for the sound of sauce! She's quite shy though and I have to fox her into a delivery by pretending we aren't recording and stuff! The Castrol GTX of our engine! I see us as kind of a Kraftwerkyeurythmiccy doohicky.
CAJA ROJA (THE RED ROOM) IN SPACE, IBIZA, HOW ARE THESE PARTIES DOING AND WILL YOU RETURN WITH ADDED ZEST NEXT SEASON?
Tim: We'll see. Hope so. It was another great step as the room went off weekly. We had such a lovely reaction and made a lot of new friends. It's very different being in Ibiza. You don't realise how small you are, or conditioned in a UK-centric way, until you are in Europe and get the bigger picture. The UK and US have the best media, to tell everyone how ace they are, but all over the world the music and parties are far ahead of them. They just don't know it. Our 'superstars' and well-known DJs are merely the tip of the iceberg. Germany, France, Denmark, Belgium, Italy and, of course, Spain are so sophisticated and open it makes me embarrassed and Eastern Europe is rockin'. We feel very privileged and dead cosmopolitan!
Jo: Like I said earlier, the room has rocked for us all summer. I'd love to go back and do it again, as long as we could change a few things, like the soundsystem. Apparently they are going to make it bigger next year, so that would be good for us.
Tim: Personally I'd like to see us on the Terrace a bit more.
CAN YOU REVEAL YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW ISLAND EVENTS HAVE TURNED CORPORATE; BORA BORA AND DC10 SEEM TO BE RECENT VICTIMS OF THIS CHANGING CLIMATE?
Tim: I think I've said so much about this I'm a marked man! We were the first of many to feel the pressure. What can I say? It's difficult. Some may pull through; I think Cala Jondal is back in action. DC10 got its terrace license in the end (after an unbelievable struggle), so I dunno. The people will decide. What the numbers do next season will tell a tale, that much I know! But you can't keep DC10 down, as I believe it has the strongest support of any crowd, ever.
Jo: I don't like the way things are going, it seems to me the government want to change Ibiza into the new St Tropez, and get rid of the clubbers. Well they are going about it the right way. By shutting all the free and fabulous parties down it only leaves a few big clubs to visit. We all need choice, and if you are left with little then most people will go somewhere else. I knew it was gonna change, but I didn't think it would happen this quickly.
Tim: ...If only it was St Tropez, Torremolinos more like!
PETE TONG, FOR ONE, HAS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THIS SEASON'S CELEBRITY INVASION OF PACHA REMARKING, "IBIZA REALLY CRAVES A RETURN OF SOME 'THEATRE' AND 'PERFORMANCE'". DO YOU AGREE?
Tim: You might be surprised, but yes! Only my idea of performance and theatre is probably a bit unconventional. 90% of the world thinks anything American is the bee's knees, and will act accordingly. Myself, I'd love to see a restrained percussionist on an electronic kit, like Kraftwerk or the 2020Vision Soundsystem. Or the singer from Portishead with a voice FX unit and some deep, deep house: or even a four-piece rock band triggering Midi instruments. The possibilities range so much further than Puffy's pantomime, Tommy Lee's dancing dustbins, or whatever. I was a drummer for many years and his thing sat with Morillo's like shite 'n' onions, in my opinion. He can play, but like many of our transatlantic cousins he seems more interested in everybody looking at him. I suspect not everybody came because of his drumming, if you know what I mean. The whole celebrity thing makes my f***ing blood boil. Go away!
Jo: Theatre is good. It's great to have different things on, other than just a DJ. I'm not too bothered by the whole celebrity thing though. I don't know what all the fuss is about, big deal, so what? It's fine to come over, hang-out and party; but when P Diddy, for instance, just stands on the DJ box at Space to get attention then it's stupid. It's not what clubbing is about. It is about being equal on the dancefloor, as we're all on the same kinda vibe, it's not look at me I've got loadsa money.
Tim: I'm with her. It's turning the world into f***ing idiots. What kind of example is America setting to children? To be a talentless nitwit? That all you need is money by any means necessary? The true ambassadors of the US are these people. Clowns.
SO WHAT'S IN STORE FOR YOUR NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC CLOSING PARTY IN IBIZA THEN?
Tim: Proper raving, every drug known to man, most of the people working in Ibiza this year in attendance, every DJ in the world there, a quadraphonic system and a post-post-post party in a cave. Rave-in-a-Cave we might call it, but I think it might be too fancy. Last year our final party at Jo Upton's Barn was the best fun I've had for years. I love getting busted! Even the Ministry felt my jinx... (Ministry's Dave Vegas was arrested doing posters!) Feel my jinx!
Jo: I can't wait for it; the venue is wicked. We'll be able to go on till the next morning with no stress from the police, just gonna be all the freaks from DC10 and the local nutters, having it big time.
Tim: ...Dunno about not having the police round, feel my jinx! If they arrest people from Ministry you can bet we are not immune. Anywhere. We live in global police state, Oh, I'm sorry... you didn't know?
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHEN A CLUB OR NIGHT GETS BIG DO PEOPLE SOMETIMES ATTEND FOR DIFFERENT, MAYBE EVEN THE WRONG, REASONS; AND DO YOU THINK THIS CAN BE PREVENTED OR CURED? COULD NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BE SUCH A VICTIM OR IS IT IMMUNE?
Tim: If people come for reasons other than the music then I'd love to know what they are. They come to look at us? Jo maybe. Mind you, I'm such a buffoon maybe their laughing is at me? I'll ask next time. I always say that if you consistently play good, surprising, underground, and accessible music, then your crowd will change in front of your eyes. The 'wrong' people just can't handle the vibe or the tunes; I mean there are gay and foreign people at our nights. Woo! You'd be surprised at who came to Ministry, never mind Ibiza. A normal person would shit their pants and run at some of the world class Ibiza freaks. I see some places where they get out face paint or 'toys' and I piss myself, as it is so desperate and crap. At the last party in Ibiza, the world's most dedicated, uncommon and generally odd are fully on parade. These people don't have hobbies, jobs and shit. This is their life! I have photo's that would drop your voice a couple of octaves for life! We will come and go, but Ibiza will always have a hardcore of top-notch weirdos. Where else is there? We may take nastydirty on sorties elsewhere but we were born free (ouch!) on a beach in Ibiza, and that'll always be where we will return to in spirit.
Jo: You can't control what people do. If people come along just to be seen then that's their affair, as long as the floor is rockin' then I don't have a problem with it.
Tim: ...Yeah, I respect people who dress up and go out to be seen, I just don't understand them! Music is my life, it sounds corny but from violin lessons at four years old I've been involved in music full-time every day of my life... It's why I'm so f***ing skint, innit?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CLUBBING SCENE IN IBIZA DURING THE WINTER MONTHS; WHERE DO PEOPLE GO, AND WHERE WILL NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BE?
Tim: You wouldn't believe it. It's so different I can't do it justice. I don't want to say anything, as it'll mean people coming out here in the winter. Let's just say we start to have it when the normals f*** off! Can you imagine some of those places on the island with absolutely no people? Heaven! Weather, surroundings and music for the professionals, how do you think we started nastydirtysexmusic? It was conceived in the winter and it's where we fine-tune it for export!
Jo: Many locals actually party more. Pacha is still on all winter and a place called Lucifer opens, which is a pretty twisted afterhours. I've been a few times and I love it, it feels really naughty to be partying in the winter.
Tim: ...And we plan to do a nastydirtysexmusic 'centro' in the winter. A small weekly in Ibiza Old Town, possibly Lola's, so look out for details in the coming weeks...
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NEWS FOR XPANDER?
Tim: Yes, I was a little Dutch girl in a previous life.
Jo: He's not lying; he was a little Dutch girl a few years ago. I knew him before the operation!
I always find Tim Sheridon makes some very, very interesting points. And after part 1, here is part 2.
It's been a good year for nastydirtysexmusic, despite the ups and downs. Organically spawned on a beach in Ibiza by Smokin' Jo and Tim Sheridan, they later took their spirited nastydirty sound to the almighty Space and in September paid a visit to the UK's Ministry of Sound in London. Next up, they are about to unleash a highly anticipated Ibiza closing party, and it's the last dance at a secret location on 4th/5th October.
"At the last party in Ibiza, the world's most dedicated, uncommon and generally odd are fully on parade," warns Tim. So yes, it's a time to get your freak on!
Together, Smokin' Jo and Tim Sheridan share 40 years of DJ experience and in the light of an amazing summer season Xpander dug deep for your entertainment into the origins of this nastydirty species to bring you the latest low down on the genre and its masters.
"I see us as kind of a Kraftwerkyeurythmiccy doohicky," explains Sheridan. Jo meanwhile has been providing vocals in the studio and they both now have lots to say, so read on to discover the latest news as we return to the inspirational issue of nastydirtysexmusic with Jo and Tim...
GREETINGS JO AND TIM, SO HOW HAVE YOU BEEN KEEPING OVER IN IBIZA SINCE OUR PREVIOUS REVELATIONS OF A NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC KIND?
Tim: I am spectacularly radiant thank you, positively glistening! I've been very poor recently and it's a surprisingly liberating experience. Funny isn't it; you never usually see interviews with skint people, but most of us are broke. It's one of the media and music industry's biggest lies! To say I've gone back to the shop floor is an understatement. I'm very happy though! It's great to have an opportunity to start over. This business is phenomenally fickle and I was in the dark for quite a while. It's nice to get such fantastic support from everyone, and the feeling this time around is that it's all working and for the right reasons. It certainly isn't money! We are very much non-profit in approach and the music is the key to it all, so it's quite humbling to have the ego taken out and realise you just play other people's great records... Taking ego and cash out of the equation is nice! It feels good. Plus playing with another DJ, a truly great DJ is a great ego-killer too. So as you can probably surmise, it's been a thought-provoking season here... and you can never reflect too much on things in my book!
Jo: I've been really busy doing my gigs all over the world every weekend as well as playing the new Red Box room at Space every Sunday, which Tim and I have taken over as nastydirtysexmusic; so I'm pretty tired actually. But I must say it's been wicked, each week we've had more and more people coming down especially to see us and cheer us on. The atmosphere in the room is amazing, so no matter how tired I am it's all worth it.
DID THE LONDON MINISTRY OF SOUND GIG FULFIL GREAT EXPECTATIONS, AND ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THE UK FOR MORE?Tim: It's like a lot of nights, in its infancy and very much on a trial period with both parties. It far exceeded expectations, particularly Ministry's I think. I was fairly confident, but naturally nervous. When a friend sends you a CDR of something you know will destroy a dancefloor, and you are one of maybe five people holding it, then that can give you a boost. I suppose that's also one of the biggest buzzes of a DJ's job. It sounds nepotistic, but it's a natural process. You make a tune and you wonder, after hearing it in your head and many days of production, you wonder what it sounds like! It sounds (forgive the pun) like a weird thing to say but you totally lose perspective, or objectivity, or whatever, on your own work. The point is, most art forms demo, or sketch, or practice to progress and that's my favourite stage. It's raw and it's real, but many go on to over-produce. Sometimes it's the manager or record company who suck the life out of it. I've done it a lot in the past. You might think at this stage it is too rough. Better computers and the sheer years people have been at it make the first drafts as well produced as many 'finished' tunes - but with more life in them. A good 75% of the music I play is fairly obscure demos from friends. They sometimes get released but I don't often hear them out, so I think a combination of the rarity and sheer raw life and soul of these CDRs make nastydirty happen. Particularly honourable mentions go to Jon Carter, Matt Edwards of Radio Slave and Tom Mangan/Cass, as these chaps are genii? Geniuses? Whatever... ACE.
Jo: Yeah, you know what? I had an excellent time at Ministry, a lot of our friends turned up to support us, so I felt right at home. The crowd were very into our music and the MOS staff where very enthusiastic about it; they said it was the best night for ages. Tim and I played a slammin' set, we'll be back again on the 16th October.
Tim: I can recommend it; the soundsystem is perfect for our stuff. Really well balanced and that's my professional opinion! I've played on every major system in the world, and so has Jo.
THROUGH EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU FOUND THE DYNAMIC NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BRAND HAS A TRANSFERABLE FORMULA?
Tim: You mean from the beach to Ministry? Absolutely. Nastydirtysexmusic is an idea. Its genesis was a way to name sounds, which by the way is a great game. Also it's utterly essential if you work with sounds. Try it home kids! Choose a sound you really like and give it new name that's more appropriate. Then find a sound with no name (like almost every electronic tone) and it gets better... Am I a very sad man? Very much thank you! Bleep! Blash, Trianguloc. It was a great night at Ministry. I'm not going to sell it too much. The numbers are good and we want to keep it fairly secret! I'll just say everything you think you know about Ministry is wrong. I'm a sound nerd and the system is without peer. Maybe Fabric's can compete, but not many others. I mean... Great layout + best soundsystem + nastydirtysexmusic = ace! (I would say that. Have I sold it enough?) We are taking it everywhere we can, so I hope it works. It's totally about Music (I'm not really up on brand-speak), so that is about as transferable as you can get. A lot of people talk about the 'universal language', but I saw it first hand at my brother's wedding in Tibet. I was playing all sorts at their wedding to a couple of people who'd never heard recorded music, never mind dirty electronic. But you know what? They f***ing love drums, case solved! Next!
HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANY PROBLEMS DURING SETS PLAYING BACK TO BACK WITH EACH OTHER, OR HAS IT ALL BEEN SMOOTH SAILING?
Tim: Well the whole monster was born from smooth connections on the decks. Jo hadn't done it before but we were doing Manumission, or something, and it happened and was great! You don't always get to play top tunes all night (particularly over six hours) on your own, but maybe if half of your tunes are invincible and you DJ with someone else then you get f***ing ace records all night. I feel personally it's the bomb for a party because you get two professionals really working. I can say I coast and zone out on my own, as I'm sure other DJ's might admit. It's why you have two people flying a plane! We have comical tiffs over tunes before gigs, and do talk about things in a post-match kind of way sometimes, but on the decks it's pure smooth sailing shipmates. Shiver me liver.
Jo: No, there are no problems really. It's been good fun, and a great experience for me. I had only tried it once before last year, and I really hated it. So after having a go with Tim at Space last summer it turned me around. Tim is such a great DJ and has a more eclectic style than me, so it has opened me up to trying out slightly different stuff, which I may not have played in my usual sets. It's much more fun playing back to back too, it's almost like a battle I suppose with each one trying to drop a better tune than the last. Sometimes it's just about getting into the flow with each other, and on a good night it's awesome. At Space last week we rocked, if I do say so myself. The odd time Tim might play a track I don't like, and I may play one he doesn't like, but it's no big deal; we either don't play it again or tell the other to piss off and carry on playing it!
JO, YOU SPUN THE 'NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC' TRACK ON THE UK'S RADIO 1 IN AUGUST, HOW HAS IT GONE DOWN SINCE AND WILL IT GET A RELEASE ON TIM'S SAVILLE ROW LABEL MAYBE?
Tim: The music industry is unrecognisable in the shadow of the internet. I'm kind of making stuff for us to play as nastydirty now! The only people who really make a living in the music industry are the nine to fivers, the proper job squad, the labels and that. If you sell albums globally you might recoup the money 'lent' to you but that means you'd be U2, not a couple of freaks in a basement. Saville Row is a brave thing to do in the current climate but, no, nastydirty is about CDRs, the internet, free parties and an exchange of information. Don't get me wrong, we'd love to put out our tracks, but it would take a vision that many labels just can't afford in their mind anymore. I never made anything out of a 10-year recording 'career', and you'll find it's very common. I must mention though, that Jo does the vocals and is f***ing brilliant! She has the most velvety tones, perfect for the sound of sauce! She's quite shy though and I have to fox her into a delivery by pretending we aren't recording and stuff! The Castrol GTX of our engine! I see us as kind of a Kraftwerkyeurythmiccy doohicky.
CAJA ROJA (THE RED ROOM) IN SPACE, IBIZA, HOW ARE THESE PARTIES DOING AND WILL YOU RETURN WITH ADDED ZEST NEXT SEASON?
Tim: We'll see. Hope so. It was another great step as the room went off weekly. We had such a lovely reaction and made a lot of new friends. It's very different being in Ibiza. You don't realise how small you are, or conditioned in a UK-centric way, until you are in Europe and get the bigger picture. The UK and US have the best media, to tell everyone how ace they are, but all over the world the music and parties are far ahead of them. They just don't know it. Our 'superstars' and well-known DJs are merely the tip of the iceberg. Germany, France, Denmark, Belgium, Italy and, of course, Spain are so sophisticated and open it makes me embarrassed and Eastern Europe is rockin'. We feel very privileged and dead cosmopolitan!
Jo: Like I said earlier, the room has rocked for us all summer. I'd love to go back and do it again, as long as we could change a few things, like the soundsystem. Apparently they are going to make it bigger next year, so that would be good for us.
Tim: Personally I'd like to see us on the Terrace a bit more.
CAN YOU REVEAL YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW ISLAND EVENTS HAVE TURNED CORPORATE; BORA BORA AND DC10 SEEM TO BE RECENT VICTIMS OF THIS CHANGING CLIMATE?
Tim: I think I've said so much about this I'm a marked man! We were the first of many to feel the pressure. What can I say? It's difficult. Some may pull through; I think Cala Jondal is back in action. DC10 got its terrace license in the end (after an unbelievable struggle), so I dunno. The people will decide. What the numbers do next season will tell a tale, that much I know! But you can't keep DC10 down, as I believe it has the strongest support of any crowd, ever.
Jo: I don't like the way things are going, it seems to me the government want to change Ibiza into the new St Tropez, and get rid of the clubbers. Well they are going about it the right way. By shutting all the free and fabulous parties down it only leaves a few big clubs to visit. We all need choice, and if you are left with little then most people will go somewhere else. I knew it was gonna change, but I didn't think it would happen this quickly.
Tim: ...If only it was St Tropez, Torremolinos more like!
PETE TONG, FOR ONE, HAS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THIS SEASON'S CELEBRITY INVASION OF PACHA REMARKING, "IBIZA REALLY CRAVES A RETURN OF SOME 'THEATRE' AND 'PERFORMANCE'". DO YOU AGREE?
Tim: You might be surprised, but yes! Only my idea of performance and theatre is probably a bit unconventional. 90% of the world thinks anything American is the bee's knees, and will act accordingly. Myself, I'd love to see a restrained percussionist on an electronic kit, like Kraftwerk or the 2020Vision Soundsystem. Or the singer from Portishead with a voice FX unit and some deep, deep house: or even a four-piece rock band triggering Midi instruments. The possibilities range so much further than Puffy's pantomime, Tommy Lee's dancing dustbins, or whatever. I was a drummer for many years and his thing sat with Morillo's like shite 'n' onions, in my opinion. He can play, but like many of our transatlantic cousins he seems more interested in everybody looking at him. I suspect not everybody came because of his drumming, if you know what I mean. The whole celebrity thing makes my f***ing blood boil. Go away!
Jo: Theatre is good. It's great to have different things on, other than just a DJ. I'm not too bothered by the whole celebrity thing though. I don't know what all the fuss is about, big deal, so what? It's fine to come over, hang-out and party; but when P Diddy, for instance, just stands on the DJ box at Space to get attention then it's stupid. It's not what clubbing is about. It is about being equal on the dancefloor, as we're all on the same kinda vibe, it's not look at me I've got loadsa money.
Tim: I'm with her. It's turning the world into f***ing idiots. What kind of example is America setting to children? To be a talentless nitwit? That all you need is money by any means necessary? The true ambassadors of the US are these people. Clowns.
SO WHAT'S IN STORE FOR YOUR NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC CLOSING PARTY IN IBIZA THEN?
Tim: Proper raving, every drug known to man, most of the people working in Ibiza this year in attendance, every DJ in the world there, a quadraphonic system and a post-post-post party in a cave. Rave-in-a-Cave we might call it, but I think it might be too fancy. Last year our final party at Jo Upton's Barn was the best fun I've had for years. I love getting busted! Even the Ministry felt my jinx... (Ministry's Dave Vegas was arrested doing posters!) Feel my jinx!
Jo: I can't wait for it; the venue is wicked. We'll be able to go on till the next morning with no stress from the police, just gonna be all the freaks from DC10 and the local nutters, having it big time.
Tim: ...Dunno about not having the police round, feel my jinx! If they arrest people from Ministry you can bet we are not immune. Anywhere. We live in global police state, Oh, I'm sorry... you didn't know?
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHEN A CLUB OR NIGHT GETS BIG DO PEOPLE SOMETIMES ATTEND FOR DIFFERENT, MAYBE EVEN THE WRONG, REASONS; AND DO YOU THINK THIS CAN BE PREVENTED OR CURED? COULD NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BE SUCH A VICTIM OR IS IT IMMUNE?
Tim: If people come for reasons other than the music then I'd love to know what they are. They come to look at us? Jo maybe. Mind you, I'm such a buffoon maybe their laughing is at me? I'll ask next time. I always say that if you consistently play good, surprising, underground, and accessible music, then your crowd will change in front of your eyes. The 'wrong' people just can't handle the vibe or the tunes; I mean there are gay and foreign people at our nights. Woo! You'd be surprised at who came to Ministry, never mind Ibiza. A normal person would shit their pants and run at some of the world class Ibiza freaks. I see some places where they get out face paint or 'toys' and I piss myself, as it is so desperate and crap. At the last party in Ibiza, the world's most dedicated, uncommon and generally odd are fully on parade. These people don't have hobbies, jobs and shit. This is their life! I have photo's that would drop your voice a couple of octaves for life! We will come and go, but Ibiza will always have a hardcore of top-notch weirdos. Where else is there? We may take nastydirty on sorties elsewhere but we were born free (ouch!) on a beach in Ibiza, and that'll always be where we will return to in spirit.
Jo: You can't control what people do. If people come along just to be seen then that's their affair, as long as the floor is rockin' then I don't have a problem with it.
Tim: ...Yeah, I respect people who dress up and go out to be seen, I just don't understand them! Music is my life, it sounds corny but from violin lessons at four years old I've been involved in music full-time every day of my life... It's why I'm so f***ing skint, innit?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CLUBBING SCENE IN IBIZA DURING THE WINTER MONTHS; WHERE DO PEOPLE GO, AND WHERE WILL NASTYDIRTYSEXMUSIC BE?
Tim: You wouldn't believe it. It's so different I can't do it justice. I don't want to say anything, as it'll mean people coming out here in the winter. Let's just say we start to have it when the normals f*** off! Can you imagine some of those places on the island with absolutely no people? Heaven! Weather, surroundings and music for the professionals, how do you think we started nastydirtysexmusic? It was conceived in the winter and it's where we fine-tune it for export!
Jo: Many locals actually party more. Pacha is still on all winter and a place called Lucifer opens, which is a pretty twisted afterhours. I've been a few times and I love it, it feels really naughty to be partying in the winter.
Tim: ...And we plan to do a nastydirtysexmusic 'centro' in the winter. A small weekly in Ibiza Old Town, possibly Lola's, so look out for details in the coming weeks...
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NEWS FOR XPANDER?
Tim: Yes, I was a little Dutch girl in a previous life.
Jo: He's not lying; he was a little Dutch girl a few years ago. I knew him before the operation!
